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TheTruth Member (Idle past 6167 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
"The bible says God is a spirit." there is a holy spirit part of the God trinity which includes two other entities not"spirts" persay to answer the question of is the bible God written no but it is God inspired
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TheTruth Member (Idle past 6167 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
Ok in the bible there are predictions fullfilled hundreds of years after the authors death.
Prediction | Fulfilment ---------------------------- Gen. 12:1-3 | Josh 11:23 Gen. 16:10 | Gen. 25:12-16 Gen. 25:21-23 | 1 Chr. 18:13 Gen. 37:5-11 | Gen. 42:6 Gen. 40:12,13 | Gen. 40:21 Gen. 40:18 | Gen. 40:22 Job 19:25-27 | John 5:28,29/Gal. 4:4/Eph. 1:7,11,14 Ps. 2:1-12 | Matt. 3:17/Mark 1:11/Acts 4:25,26/ | Acts 3:33/Hebrews 1:5;5:5/Rev. 2:26,27;19:15,16 Ps. 16:8-10 | Acts 2:27/Acts 13:35/Acts 26:23 "People call me strange does that make me a stranger My best friend was born in a manger"
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TheTruth Member (Idle past 6167 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
Only to name a few.
"People call me strange does that make me a stranger My best friend was born in a manger"
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TheTruth Member (Idle past 6167 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
umm inspired by God. No I don't think so, not at the same time but multiple people saw Him just not at the same time. I'm sure you're aware that there are many accounts of Jesus and his miracles, and technecly He is part of the God head 3 in one deal. So it really depends on how you look at it.
And if there is a loving creator, wouldn't the greatest gift to us be to be the creators of our own existence?
In a sense your right we choose to get with the opposite sex and make children, but God ultimatly decides if the child lives or not. So yes and no.
"Love thine enemies." Who are the enemy? 'Forgive them Lord." Who are they that need forgiveness?
The "enemy" would be anyone who does anything against us I guess. The next quote is from when Christ is on the cross dieing (right?)and they that need forgiveness would be the romans gambling over his clothes and such, mocking him, and other mean things(aka his enemy's that he said to love before he is showing you how). "People call me strange does that make me a stranger My best friend was born in a manger"
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TheTruth Member (Idle past 6167 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
There are more New Testiment ones, what I showed is only like an 1/8 of what I have. There are non-biblical proofs...
quote:Thats only the ten being fullfilled now there is 90 more I'll let you look them up. 100prohecies.org "People call me strange does that make me a stranger My best friend was born in a manger"
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TheTruth Member (Idle past 6167 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
Could it be true that muliple people pretended they saw god? Could it be possible that multiple people were out of their minds and suffering a form of mental illness? I know there are multiple people doing this today. Many claim to see, hear and converse with god. What is the difference between the authors of the bible and these people today?
yes but do multiple people imagine the same trial and execution the same way not just the bible other writings tell this story as well
Is that so unimaginable?
Yes, has it ever been done?
Your enemy sees you as the enemy but you don't see yourself as the enemy. The point is in "that the romans' saw jesus as the enemy. The romans did not see themselves as the enemy."
What's your point?
Jesus had a responsibilty to treat all of humanity as equals and he did not.
When did he not treat everyone equal? Name three times. "People call me strange does that make me a stranger My best friend was born in a manger"
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TheTruth Member (Idle past 6167 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
I don't think the trial was IMAGINED but that is the key word. All references to god are from a single imagination and never collectively.
If the trial wasn't imagined how was the defendent imagined you don't hang an imaginary man on a cross and lauh at him. It's illogical
I am not a bible scholar, however, from an objective view I believe Jesus' perception of the human race was that of good and bad. The enemy, the thief, the betrayor, the persecutor, all labels, all from judgements of a superior nature. This is not equality. Jesus wanted equality his way.
I am not a bible scholar either but I will say that this is a false statement
Is this not control and manipulation of the masses in his imagined god's name? Is it possible jesus did not take responsibilty for his own mind, his own thoughts, his own beliefs and his own actions? What has a god got to do with any of this? My observations lead me to conclude that the bible is the word of man.
The enemy, the thief, the betrayor, the persecutor,
He didn't label people. He said that the enemy is the one who hates you and curses you. Besides like you pointed out He tells us to them them that hate us bless them that curse us. Not label them as bad. How do you say His thoughts were not His. That isn't possible. Explain this please. "People call me strange does that make me a stranger My best friend was born in a manger"
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TheTruth Member (Idle past 6167 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
I don't think any of it was purely imagination. These, alledgedly, are accounts given by humans. I cannot dispute that. The topic is concerned with 'is the bible written by man or god'? I think it is quite logical to think god is the imagination of the individual and the bible is purely man-made.
Ok your close, man did write it, but most of it was God inspired.
The enemy is a person, not a label. If enemy describes someone who hates and curses you, why label them the enemy? They just hate you and curse you. They might have good reason to hate you and curse you.
Well in a perfect world no there would be no enemy. Unfortunatly we don't and there are people who become our "enemy". God/Jesus knows this and takes it into acount. Thus that verse.
If we truly loved and blessed the people who are deemed to be the enemy in the first place, there would be no need to hate and curse us in the first place, would there? To name the enemy is to make an enemy because it completely dismisses them as human beings.
I did not say his thoughts were not his. I am saying the opposite. Jesus ascribed his beliefs and thoughts to the will of god, his father. He believed his suffering was the will of god. He believed his preachings and teachings were the will of god. He believed his death was for the greater good through the will of god. I am saying he did not take responsibility for them.
All of this is true, except the end. All of what he did was the will of God, but he still did them, he still took responsiblity for them.
Where did jesus' beliefs come from? Where did jesus' concepts on morals and virtues come from?
His beliefs morals and virtues came from Him. He is God, and not God, so the morals and beliefs came from Him the one who makes the rules. Not his childhood. If you remember back in bible class you learned, or should have, that Jesus when he was only a pre-teen. Things that they didn't know so it couldn't have been taught to Him. And does Jesus not preach humbleness? How could he let it be his ego? Sorry to say your view is not as objective as you thought. It is quiet leaning toward no God ect. I believe they came from jesus' learnings and experiences as a child. No-where else. He was taught about this mighty god just as you and I were, and his imagination and inner self took over. You could even say it was all his ego. It is very logical and possible from an objective point of view.
"People call me strange does that make me a stranger My best friend was born in a manger"
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TheTruth Member (Idle past 6167 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
Ok, how do you know it was inspired by god?
It says so "All scripture is God breathed"
You do not regard yourself as the enemy, but you are. Maybe you even started it, eg as in 'the weapons of mass destruction' that did not exist.
I never said that.
temple learnings
I thought I made this clear He taught in the temple.
Jesus believed/imagined it was god. He did not accept that all he heard and felt and imagined was himself.
Couldn't you just as easily say you imagine there is no God and just ignore the evidence of one? "People call me strange does that make me a stranger My best friend was born in a manger"
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TheTruth Member (Idle past 6167 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
You realize this is circular reasoning, right? And that you'd never believe anything else was true on the sole basis that it says it is, right?
This would be an excelent point if it had any validity. First of all the Bible has proven itself to be true and I am not going back into that argument check one of the forums we talked about it. On top of that if you are to say that is circular reasononing take a step back and look at evolution its filled with circular reasoning. "The Bible is true because the Bible says it's true. When the Bible says that it's true it can't be lying because the Bible is true." If you read a book, let's say the Harry Potter series, and the opening paragraph says "everything in these books is true, and literally happened," does that mean the events of the Harry Potter series actually happened? After all, it has to be true. It says so right there!
"People call me strange does that make me a stranger My best friend was born in a manger"
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TheTruth Member (Idle past 6167 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
Even IFF the theory of evolution is entirely a circular argument, how does this make your argument not a circular argument?
I never said that my theory wasn't circular, I was just pointing out that your theory is worse!PWNED! "People call me strange does that make me a stranger My best friend was born in a manger"
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TheTruth Member (Idle past 6167 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
First, please use correct grammer and capitalization.
Secondly -
I'm pretty sure that a load of made up bull crap, unless you feel like proving it. Paul wrote that?
this is from a pastoral epistle - a letter FORGED in the name of Paul. Do you think a FORGERY is good proof?
Thirdly -
WHAT! How does that work? Neither was any of the works of religion.
this letter was not scripture itself when it was written. Do you think it refers to ITSELF as scripture?
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Okay, but do we really want to look at evolution it has more holes than what I saidusing the Bible to "prove" the Bible is circular nonsense. Do you think The Lord of The Rings proves The Hobbit true? "People call me strange does that make me a stranger My best friend was born in a manger"
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