Is the bible the word of God or men?

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What I was saying is if you read Genesis 1 you can come to the same conclusion that there are both male and female gender. You don't have to read Genesis 2 in order to determine that much. LOL. You really need to learn how to read and also try to remember what you said before. LOL.

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No, this is not correct: Genesis is talking about the first emergence of life forms - there was no one to see male and female, nor to recognise such a premise. No one yet knew about repro or concieving - thus this phenomenon is illustrated - first Adam is confrionted by animals, then with his own counterpart in kind. Your interpretation does not relate to the texts at all.

I'll be honest; I don't know whether the universe is finite or not. I don't even know what the latest scientific thinking is on that. The problem is that you don't know either, unless you are somehow able to observe the whole universe throughout time. If you can do this, please tell me where Bin Laden is, I could do with the reward money. So again, you are only listening to arguments that take your assertion as their starting point. Do you have any idea how insulting and arrogant that is? Why certainly, since you asked so nicely, but I don't imagine that you'll pay any attention to it. How about this one;

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Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

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Somehow those careless archaeologists have managed to miss the remains of these giants, and angel DNA is yet to be identified. I'm sure you will point them out to me.
Also, I know you asked for unconfirmed stuff from Genesis, but I couldn't resist posting this little beauty;

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1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

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That would make the value of pi equal to 3. It's not. Close, but no cigar.
Of course I don't expect you to accept any of this, since you appear to have a bit of a blind spot for numbers (except for the Book of Numbers that is).

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Mutate and Survive

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The problem is that you don't know either, unless you are somehow able to observe the whole universe throughout time.

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This is not correct - almost all of science theories are based on postulations and probabilities, and no observable detached view. The finite aspect is much more than this: Einstein himself pointed out an expanding universe must be finite and have a beginning. By subsequence, all its components are finite - these are basic mathematical and scientific facts [Light spectrum shift; etc].The point here is, a finite universe inclines with Creationism, with no potential alternative - at least none the mind can imagine. From this pov, and from its contextual narratives - Genesis is a fully scientific premise. An infinite universe is selective and escapist.

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I would appreciate any other possible scenario whatsoever - based on the finite preamble: I'm listening?

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So again, you are only listening to arguments that take your assertion as their starting point. Do you have any idea how insulting and arrogant that is?

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On what basis is stating a blatant factual reasoning as insulting and arrogant? One must consider the universe position by stating a reasoned preamble: a finite and infinite are totally different creatures: one of them is sci-fi.

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Somehow those careless archaeologists have managed to miss the remains of these giants, and angel DNA is yet to be identified. I'm sure you will point them out to me.

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There are numerous references to Giants, in writings which are centuries apart. Giants are not unusual things, and refers to some just 25% taller than the norm. Goliath and Gog were giants. The reference to God here is El - which refers to one of a high position of pwoer, as in sir/lord/etc. This word is very old, predating Abraham more than 2000 years. Instead of retreating to angels, giants and FX miracles - does it mean you have no historical factors which are wrong? While ancient miracles are not provable or disprovable - millions of stats and specs are. Including that the universe is FINITE.Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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Of course I don't expect you to accept any of this, since you appear to have a bit of a blind spot for numbers (except for the Book of Numbers that is).

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The correction of eronous science comes from the very opening of Genesis: the uni is finite. Deal with it - then point me with blind spots.

Joseph, I am sorry but you are wrong. Read Below:So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

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Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
HENCE read the bold print. LOL. Your claim is refuted. However, I do expect some sort of WAS. I wonder what it will be?Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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Joseph, Every single response you have posted is junk. Not a single thing you have said stands with a shred of evidence. I have posted key verses that contradict each other and you have come up with some excuse as to why they contradict each other. You have not supplied any evidence for any of your claims. As for refuting the creation stories in Genesis that is simple. Learn actual Science. However, take that issue to another thread as it is OFF TOPIC.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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Joseph,Why do you accept the creation stories in the Torah when they have no shred of evidence to support them?

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Its perfect. You should not be so fast about a text which has withstood 1000s of years of scrutiny and prevailed. 'Refuted' is premature here.

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Every single response you have posted is junk. Not a single thing you have said stands with a shred of evidence.

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Do you refute the universe is finite, and that this is correctly stated at the forefront of a description of the universe origins? Do you dispute the first rcording of evolution comes from here? This is a science thread - lets stick to provable factors, instead of angels and giants?

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Why do you accept the creation stories in the Torah when they have no shred of evidence to support them?

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I'm open to any other reasonable explanation - based on a finite universe. But you have not stated your own creation version. Enlighten me?

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Is the bible the word of God or men?

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Why do you accept the creation stories in the Torah when they have no shred of evidence to support them?

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How can men have written of a 2000 year period retrospectively, with scientifically evidenced names, dates and places? While there is no way of proving how this occured - it remains a mysterious factor. I can point to 1000s of such items in this document - including the first alphabetical books. Its not intelligent to dismiss this as just creation myth!

Joseph, You have not offered a shred of evidence for your above claim.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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You have not offered a shred of evidence for your above claim.

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What do you call evidence - nominate your criteria for a 3000 document?With regard the opening first words, that the universe is finite - I supplied a great scientist like Einstein agreeing with this; Hubble also confirmed this Genesis stat. The listing of graduating life forms in Genesis is also hardly a myth.With regard the Noah story, I see many threads in this forum with copious writings why the flood is a myth. What is disregarded is that there was a flood - it is reported elsewhere; and all the surrounding details are authentic and scientifically verifiable: here I refer to the contemporary names of a period 5500 years ago. The names of people here is the foremost proof of the flood story not being a myth - at least in its surrounding detail apart from the size of the flood. A 5500 year name does not appear 4000 years ago: this is scientifically validated proof.In addition, we find details here of nation's origins, backtracking to 5,500 years, including greece, india, the canaanites, the phoenecians, the egyptians, etc - details not available anyplace, with datings and family tree threads - all this is disregarded by so-called flood smarties.So which name here is a myth?

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Genesis Chapter 10
1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth; and unto them were sons born after the flood. 2 The sons of Japheth: Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 3 And the sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. 4 And the sons of Javan: Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. 5 Of these were the isles of the nations divided in their lands, every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. 6 And the sons of Ham: Cush, and Mizraim, and Put, and Canaan. 7 And the sons of Cush: Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabteca; and the sons of Raamah: Sheba, and Dedan. 8 And Cush begot Nimrod; he began to be a mighty one in the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; wherefore it is said: 'Like Nimrod a mighty hunter before the LORD.' 10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. 11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and Rehoboth-ir, and Calah, 12 and Resen between Nineveh and Calah--the same is the great city. 13 And Mizraim begot Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14 and Pathrusim, and Casluhim--whence went forth the Philistines--and Caphtorim. {S} 15 And Canaan begot Zidon his firstborn, and Heth; 16 and the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgashite; 17 and the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite; 18 and the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite; and afterward were the families of the Canaanite spread abroad. 19 And the border of the Canaanite was from Zidon, as thou goest toward Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest toward Sodom and Gomorrah and Admah and Zeboiim, unto Lasha. 20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, in their nations. {S} 21 And unto Shem, the father of all the children of Eber, the elder brother of Japheth, to him also were children born. 22 The sons of Shem: Elam, and Asshur, and Arpachshad, and Lud, and Aram. 23 And the sons of Aram: Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash. 24 And Arpachshad begot Shelah; and Shelah begot Eber. 25 And unto Eber were born two sons; the name of the one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan. 26 And Joktan begot Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah; 27 and Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah; 28 and Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba; 29 and Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab; all these were the sons of Joktan. 30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest toward Sephar, unto the mountain of the east. 31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations. 32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations; and of these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood. {P}

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The entire passage. if this is the Geneology of the world why is there no mention of northern Europe, East Asia, Southern Africa, North & South America, Australia or Oceania. Everyone is in Mesopotamia, Northeast Africa & Central Asia

Joseph,You have to look at the entirety of evidence not just that the universe is finite. Use all methods of information such as Theology/Philosophy, Biology, Cosmology, Archaeology, Physics, and whatever else you can use. If there is a shred of evidence that contradicts a current theory then you have a error in theory. Then you have to look at which theory is more plausible. Physics projects specific information about gravity that the Bible contradicts such as Moses parting the Red sea. Philosphy/Theology can shed light on the many contradictions contained in the Bible. Biology can shed light on the errors in the Bible when speaking of reproduction methods. Take for example how the Bible only mentions male and female for Humans. What about the other great species that are among us? There is no mention of them. What you're doing is believing in God of the Bible and then accepting only evidence that supports the Bible; which is not much. I mean; who cares if there are some documents in the Bible that speak of named places and people that existed. None of that is an indication that YHWH Elohim is a real God. A great indication that YHWH Elohim is a real God would be a prophecy with specific information, such as to date and time of a event, and then that event actually occuring. Please remember that the Bible can't verify the Bible.Oh and last but not least you need to supply information/evidence that supports that those people(in your post) actually existed. You also need to supply information that can indicate a great flood that filled the planet. The issue is even if you are able to supply that information it still does not supply information that indicates YHWH Elohim is a real God. You're simpy verifying historical events that happened. Please use Reason for all issues. DOH.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.Edited by tthzr3, : clarityEdited by tthzr3, : No reason given.Edited by tthzr3, : errEdited by tthzr3, : No reason given.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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