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Message 15 of 122 (477654)
08-05-2008 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Brian
08-05-2008 9:13 AM


May The Circle Be Unbroken
several points:
  • Circular reasoning has to have a point of origin somewhere. God either exists or He doesn't. We cant assume that god exists only because we read about Him. I will admit that any religious zealot has confirmation bias.
  • Logically, IF God exists, there is only one character. I don't think God would be relative to culture.

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    Phat
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    Message 40 of 122 (478011)
    08-10-2008 10:10 PM
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    08-06-2008 4:41 PM


    The X-Files
    Entity X must therefore be real=circular reasoning
    Entity X makes a lot of sense=choice of belief

    "All that we call human history--money, poverty, ambition, war, prostitution, classes, empires, slavery--[is] the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy."--C.S.Lewis
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    “The world has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.”--General Omar Bradley
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    "The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog." -GK Chesterson

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    Phat
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    Message 42 of 122 (478037)
    08-11-2008 8:09 AM
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    08-10-2008 11:37 PM


    Re: The X-Files
    All I am saying is that the circle has to begin at some point. If people find comfort and strength in their culturally chosen belief, why needlessly speculate on whether the God that they believe in was created by their need for Him or not?
    As annoying as it may be for some who have to deal with believers who pedal their God like cheap heroin, it is equally as annoying when I am told that if my God exists, I need to be able to somehow produce Him like a calculus problem in order to validate my belief.
    What good would it do for me to attempt to question and doubt on principle...in the process raising enough questions in my mind so that I no longer affirm my belief? My belief is not based on the Scientific method.
    Not to sound close minded and/or stubborn....I simply am curious why people are more happy with a seeker who is endlessly questioning and unable (or willfully unwilling) to arrive at any definite conclusion in their soul as opposed to a believer who has settled on a cultural icon and who is content to leave it at that.
    Edited by Phat, : added jabberwocky

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    Message 46 of 122 (479011)
    08-23-2008 5:57 AM
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    08-23-2008 5:15 AM


    What about the Rabbis?
    Brian, lets take the Biblical accuracy argument a step further. You mention that much of the book cannot be verified, and i agree with you that we Christians tend to believe without questioning or studying the source materials much.
    But what about the Orthodox Rabbi's? They spend a lot of time immersed in books and learning concerning the Torah and the Rabbinic commentaries. I respect the amount of scholarly time that they invest, and wanted to ask you if their beliefs can be as easily dismissed by secular scholars as can the Christian Fundamentalists?

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