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Vacate
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Message 84 of 122 (487334)
10-30-2008 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Cold Foreign Object
10-29-2008 5:59 PM


Cold Foreign Object writes:
Hundreds of millions of persons from diverse backrounds, social status, economic status, and educational credentials, accept the Bible as true because it IS evidence and because of the corroborating evidence.
Actually more people do not accept your view of the Bible as those that do. I am referring to Jesus and the fact that majority of the world does not believe Jesus to be the son of God. Sixty seven percent of the world in fact (according to the CIA factbook 2007)
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Christians 33.32% (of which Roman Catholics 16.99%, Protestants 5.78%, Orthodox 3.53%, Anglicans 1.25%), Muslims 21.01%, Hindus 13.26%, Buddhists 5.84%, Sikhs 0.35%, Jews 0.23%, Baha'is 0.12%, other religions 11.78%, non-religious 11.77%, atheists 2.32%
CIA World Factbook
Cold Foreign Object writes:
Even the most vocal critics of the Bible and Christianity (= the Jesus Seminar) admit that Christ lived.
Do you agree?
As I have shown above, 67% of the world disagrees with this statement. Most do not see Jesus as the Christ, Messiah, or son of God. If you mean 'Jesus' lived... then the most vocal critics may agree.
That being said how does this affect your appeal to popularity?
What I find to be more interesting is the claims that Islam will overtake Christianity by the year 2025 or that Islam has a 0.6% higher growth rate than Christianity. I am unable to find reliable data on such claims, but they still present a problem for you.
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The growth rate of Islam, according to the U.S. Center for World Mission, at 2.9% is higher than the 2.6% growth rate of the world's population. Thus, the percentage of Muslims in the world is growing on the order of 0.6% per year.
Religious Tolerance
www.foreignpolicy.com puts it differently:
  • Islam Growth rate*: 1.84 percent
  • Christianity Growth rate: 1.38 percent
    Wiki explains some of the difficulties in the claim of "fastest growing religion". I am not trying to claim that Islam is the fastest growing, just that some studies have lead to that conclusion. As such the possibility exists and is worthy of consideration based upon your claims. Wiki
    If this turns out to be true, how does this affect your appeal to popularity?
    Cold Foreign Object writes:
    Muslim countries kill Christians and Christianity is illegal.
    It will be rough for you then if their truth becomes The Truth simply because there are more of them. Not much will change for us evolutionists, I am sure most of us are used to religious folks threatening our doom.
    Cold Foreign Object writes:
    Oh wait, Muslims deny the Holocaust too.
    A sad consequence of your appeal to popularity?

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    Vacate
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    Message 103 of 122 (487390)
    10-30-2008 8:43 PM
    Reply to: Message 97 by Cold Foreign Object
    10-30-2008 5:02 PM


    Cold Foreign Object writes:
    You have (admittedly) changed the premise. I have no quarrel with the alleged fact that you have established. This fact says two-thirds of the world believes Jesus lived but they do not believe in His alleged Divinity. Of course the important aspect is "the whole world" which includes all the other great religions of the world. These others could not possibly be expected to accept the Divinity of Christ.
    I do admit that I changed the premise, I did so to make a point. Most of the world does not believe in the Divinity of Christ. As such, given your fancy for the appeal to popularity I was hoping for you to admit that christ was not divine. Ok, not really; I expected you to retract your appeal to popularity.
    Cold Foreign Object writes:
    My point was that persons from all walks of life, social status, economic status and education hold the Bible to be true.
    No they don't. Read up on the religions, majority of the population does not believe that Jesus was divine. Many claim he was, most claim he wasn't so the Bible certainly remains in question. If your appeal to popularity stands then Jesus was not divine and further claims of truth in the bible can be examined for popularity.
    No other ancient Text enjoys the level of acceptance that the Bible enjoys
    What parts? Islam, Christianity, and Judaism (ignoring the hundreds or thousands of denominations contained within them) don't accept the same parts as truth. If appeal to popularity stands then at the very least we can safely reject Jesus as divine.
    And we have three separate issues going on here: (1) Biblical acceptance. (2) Existence of Christ. (3) Divinity of Christ.
    I would say that #1 supports #2 and #3.
    Again, your appeal to popularity conflicts with what you call truth. Majory of the world rejects this viewpoint so I wonder if you plan to retract the viewpoint or the appeal?
    My appeal says nothing about most populous. It is anchored in multi-level diversity.
    Though I would accept that many diverse religions accept parts of the bible, (for example that Jesus did live) nearly everyone rejects the conclusions your faith has lead you to. Since you appear to say that might makes right I feel I am correct to ask "That being said how does this affect your appeal to popularity?"

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