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Is Jesus the Circular Messiah?

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10-26-2008 6:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 51 by Cold Foreign Object
10-26-2008 5:59 PM

Who is more credible and reliable? St. Matthew, St. Mark, St. Luke, St. John, St. Paul, author of Hebrews, Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah, David, etc, etc.
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Or:
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Your typical axe-grinding Atheist-evolutionist "scholar"?
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I'll go with the "scholar" at least there is some verification instead of old stories handed down through generations in which have most likely been altered. Also if one looks at the Biblical stories in the context of what what thought to be, at the time of these stories, one should be able to see that most is pure mythology.
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Talking animals, the sun stopping, people living over 900 years, tey are just myths.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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10-27-2008 10:52 PM 		Reply to: Message 69 by Cold Foreign Object
10-27-2008 6:36 PM

Popularity has NOTHING to do with something being true. Further, this is an appeal to authority.
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Yes, it is. And you seem to think that your personal "authority" is exempt from your own belief.
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Just because something is popular doesn't make it right even if 99.99% of all people accept it. Something is right because there is evidence to support it. Where's is the evidence that the Bible is correct?
(note) the Bible can't be used as evidence that the Bible is correct.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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10-29-2008 9:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 79 by Cold Foreign Object
10-29-2008 5:59 PM

Hundreds of millions of persons from diverse backrounds, social status, economic status, and educational credentials, accept the Bible as true because it IS evidence and because of the corroborating evidence.
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So give us this evidence.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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10-30-2008 9:11 AM 		Reply to: Message 83 by Cold Foreign Object
10-29-2008 10:46 PM

Whether Christ lived or not is irrelevant. It is whether Christ lived in the way the Bible pictures him. Where is the corroborating evidence that any of the Biblical Christ is true? Where is any evidence of any Biblical story is true? You still haven't given any evidence.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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10-31-2008 12:55 AM 		Reply to: Message 104 by Cold Foreign Object
10-30-2008 8:57 PM

Re: Did you ever go to school Ray?
All this says is that St. Matthew and St. Mark and St. Luke and St. John and St. Paul (= five separate sources) are liars. We explain your belief by remembering that you are an Atheist. Since we already know that Atheism believes N.T. authors to be liars what is your point? Hundreds of millions of persons from diverse backrounds disagree. What evidence do you have that said sources are liars or deluded? Plausibility is rendered subjective. You have made claims thus far and nothing else.
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Where is the evidence that these individuals existed and that they wrote the books attributed to them? We don't believe them to be liars but we want evidence that what they or whoever wrote the books is telling actual accounts. I would imagine you would consider the Illiad as mythology. So why should the N T be totally accepted as truth when there is no more evidence of it than evidence of the Illiad.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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10-31-2008 5:28 PM 		Reply to: Message 109 by Cold Foreign Object
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Re: Did you ever go to school Ray?
Where is the evidence that these individuals existed and that they wrote the books attributed to them? We don't believe them to be liars but we want evidence that what they or whoever wrote the books is telling actual accounts.
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I don't believe that you wrote the above comments.
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Fine then you must agree that it is rather unintelligent to accept what is written without evidence. (No, I didn't write it, I typed it.)
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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10-31-2008 10:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 111 by Cold Foreign Object
10-31-2008 6:28 PM

Is that supposed to mean anything. The Illiad states that Troy existed.
Does that mean that the Illiad is historical. All Mythology caotains some truth. Is Gone With the Wind history, It has that Burning of Atlanta in it?
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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11-17-2008 5:37 PM 		Reply to: Message 120 by ramoss
11-17-2008 2:22 PM

You can go on & on with what exists in books and also include movies & TV shows:
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I love Lucy, New York City exists.
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Our Gang Comedies, Culver City & Hollywood Ca exists
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Star Trek (200 years in the future) mentions such places as The USA & The Soviet Union.
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The Green Berets Danang Vietnam & Fort Benning Georgia exists
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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