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Author Topic:   Is Jesus the Circular Messiah?
rueh
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Message 13 of 122 (477622)
08-05-2008 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by iano
08-05-2008 9:58 AM


IANO writes:
Before you run off supposing circles though. I don't hold that you have to believe-that-Jesus-is-your-saviour in order to be saved. I was saved first. Then I came to believe that Jesus is my Lord and Saviour. And I came to know that I was saved.
Can you expand on this a bit? Who was it that you thought was doing your saving if you didn't believe in Jesus? You had to have been praying to someone/thing. What did you think you were praying to if you were not a christian?
Logically, the God I experienced can be Jesus. Culture need not have anything to do with it.
I believe the point is that personal belief in choosen deity is a byproduct of culture. I think the majority of the time this holds true. Although I will admit it is not concrete. In areas with large christian concentrations you do not have many people all of a sudden finding Mohammed. Culture dictated where the easiest resources to answer your spirtiual questions could be found.
The sequence would go something like this.
1st: There was the experience of life before (lets call it) God turned up
2nd: Then there was the experience of (lets call it)God turning up (even though I didn't know it was God turning up at first)
3rd: Then there was the reading of the Bible and finding that the Bible described the experiences I had before and after God turned. Via parable, allegorically, via others experiences etc. But precisely for all that.
What is the step in between two and three that leads to an assumption that the bible is where to look? I say it is the culture around you or that you were raised in. Since it provides a path for the easiest way to relate your experience with like minded people. in which case there was in fact a presupposed disposition for the selection of one spiritual path as opposed to the other.

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rueh
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From: universal city tx
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Message 102 of 122 (487386)
10-30-2008 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Cold Foreign Object
10-30-2008 5:02 PM


Ray writes:
My point was that persons from all walks of life, social status, economic status and education hold the Bible to be true.No other ancient Text enjoys the level of acceptance that the Bible enjoys.
You do know ray that this statement,holds true no matter what religion or holy script you apply it to? You don't believe there was a man named Muhammed? Or a king named Budah? Or a scholar named Confuscious? There is plenty of supporting evidence for the existence of all three. The point that you make is just as valid no matter what religion you apply it to,since as you so elegontly state it. The opinions of christians is entirely predictable in a general sense so could be wrong. Your entire argument is nothing but a broad and unknowing brush off,of every other person's thoughts but your own.
Ray writes:
My appeal says nothing about most populous. It is anchored in multi-level diversity.
You should also add, and ~1500 years of mobile military conquests. That is after all part of the reason why christianity shares such a wide dispersment and level of acceptance. To the victor goes the spoils.

'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX

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