Is Jesus the Circular Messiah?

I'm not going to say it again.....Oh alright : Popularity has NOTHING to do with something being true. Yes it does. There are Muslim doctors, economists, hell, I bet there are even Muslim biologists and pretty much anything else you can think of. Because people are usually indoctrinated with this stuff form a very early age, and when one bases one's world view upon something, it's very hard to let it go.

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Hundreds of millions of persons from diverse backrounds, social status, economic status, and educational credentials, disagree. Hundreds of millions of persons from diverse backrounds, social status, economic status, and educational credentials, disagree.While support of the Koran has the numbers it does not come close to all of said criteria.Ray

They can disagree all they like, doesn't change the fact that the ONLY thing that can show something to be correct is evidence, not popularity. YES IT DOES. Muslims are as diverse as Christians in this world.

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Hundreds of millions of persons from diverse backrounds, social status, economic status, and educational credentials, accept the Bible as true because it IS evidence and because of the corroborating evidence. Not even close.Muslim countries kill Christians and Christianity is illegal.You have resorted to self-evident nonsense equivalent to denying a round Earth or the Holocaust. Oh wait, Muslims deny the Holocaust too.Ray

There is NO evidence backing up many things claimed in the bible. The flood and creation to name two. So, what is this evidence that the claims of the bible are true? Please present it. Wow....Are you ever bigoted or what? There are also normal Muslims you know, and not all of them deny the holocaust. In fact there are Christians who deny the holocaust as well, or blame the Jews for the crucifixion, how nice of them. But since I am spewing nonsense, it will be easy for you to refute my claims with evidence, please do so.

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This is pretty much as good as debate with Ray/CFO will ever get. All he does is make unevidenced assertions and declare all who disagree with him to be athiests. I suggest you buy a helmet if you want to continue to beat your head against the wall that is Ray.

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

So give us this evidence.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

In line with the topic:1. Even the most vocal critics of the Bible and Christianity (= the Jesus Seminar) admit that Christ lived.Do you agree?Ray

Actually more people do not accept your view of the Bible as those that do. I am referring to Jesus and the fact that majority of the world does not believe Jesus to be the son of God. Sixty seven percent of the world in fact (according to the CIA factbook 2007)

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Christians 33.32% (of which Roman Catholics 16.99%, Protestants 5.78%, Orthodox 3.53%, Anglicans 1.25%), Muslims 21.01%, Hindus 13.26%, Buddhists 5.84%, Sikhs 0.35%, Jews 0.23%, Baha'is 0.12%, other religions 11.78%, non-religious 11.77%, atheists 2.32%

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CIA World FactbookAs I have shown above, 67% of the world disagrees with this statement. Most do not see Jesus as the Christ, Messiah, or son of God. If you mean 'Jesus' lived... then the most vocal critics may agree.That being said how does this affect your appeal to popularity?What I find to be more interesting is the claims that Islam will overtake Christianity by the year 2025 or that Islam has a 0.6% higher growth rate than Christianity. I am unable to find reliable data on such claims, but they still present a problem for you.

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The growth rate of Islam, according to the U.S. Center for World Mission, at 2.9% is higher than the 2.6% growth rate of the world's population. Thus, the percentage of Muslims in the world is growing on the order of 0.6% per year.

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Religious Tolerancewww.foreignpolicy.com puts it differently:

Islam Growth rate*: 1.84 percent

Christianity Growth rate: 1.38 percent

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Wiki explains some of the difficulties in the claim of "fastest growing religion". I am not trying to claim that Islam is the fastest growing, just that some studies have lead to that conclusion. As such the possibility exists and is worthy of consideration based upon your claims. Wiki

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If this turns out to be true, how does this affect your appeal to popularity?

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Cold Foreign Object writes:

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Muslim countries kill Christians and Christianity is illegal.

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It will be rough for you then if their truth becomes The Truth simply because there are more of them. Not much will change for us evolutionists, I am sure most of us are used to religious folks threatening our doom.

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Oh wait, Muslims deny the Holocaust too.

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A sad consequence of your appeal to popularity?

No, I don't. I say the Jesus of the bible NEVER existed.

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Evidence please. As soon as you provide evidence of this support I will answer.How do you explain that over 50% of Christians do not take the Bible at face value?

So, does this mean that He did exist?

Whether Christ lived or not is irrelevant. It is whether Christ lived in the way the Bible pictures him. Where is the corroborating evidence that any of the Biblical Christ is true? Where is any evidence of any Biblical story is true? You still haven't given any evidence.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

If critics do not dispute His existence then yes, of course----that is the point.Ray

The truth of the statement is self-evident. There is no evidence that contradicts. Assuming your percentage is more or less correct and assuming we agree as to what "face value" means, this percentage of Christians (who are undoubtedly evolutionists) are explained the way the Bible explains original apostle Judas.Ray