Fullfilled Bible prophecy

What is the significance of a fullfilled prophecy?...
God says prophecy confirms Him. It is the way man knows something is from God & God alone. There are severals answers. It proves Gods existence, as the mind behind the Bible. It proves that the Bible is Gods inspired word without error. It proves that Jesus Christ was the coming messiah & God, whom the Old Testament predicted. It proves the Bible to be unique and strong among all other doctrines as no other has clear evidence of a fullfilled prophecy. (If there is please share).Bible prophecy is Gods personal way of showing he is God...
For those of you with Bibles (Every skeptic should have one) are welcome to read Gods challenges to the other religions who claim to be the way, One in particular which reads "Show the things that are to come hereafter that we may know that ye are Gods" Isaiah 41:23. Other references are Isaiah 40:21,Isaiah 41:4,Isaiah 41:22-29,Isaiah 43:8-9,Isaiah 44:6-10,Isaiah 45:21-22,Isaiah 46:8-10,Isaiah 48:3-6. So God tells the world "Cmon if you think your so Holy then tell whats going to happen in the future". And to this day the Bible is the only book in the world that correctly predicts the future hundreds of times, without making mistakes. This proves that they were divine inspired. Because any man can write a book that says be good and be nice and do this. But only God can write a book that always correctly foretells the future. (When i use the word prove i do not mean fact without a doubt, But i use it as more evidence for the Bible as being Gods true book).How do we test a Bible prophecy?...
Well first was the prophecy far enough before the predicted event to exclude chances of human guesswork? And another is the prediction ambiguous, vague or capable of several explanations. Which im sure many of you will put forward.The Old Testament...
17 books of prophecy were written in this period between Genesis & Malachi. Of the 300 plus prophecies contained in the books, many were immediately fullfilled (a prophet had to be 100% accurate or he was stoned). While others foretold incredible detail of a messiah and savior who was to come.How much proof is proof?...
The Bible is filled with incredible prophecies & facts that meet both the statistician,skeptic & Gods standards. Many opinions would suggest the probability of correctly foretelling the future hundereds of times without mistakes essentially impossible or absurd. Like on the same par as someone correctly guessing the lottery many times in a row. Unless of course there is divine inspiration. These fullfilled prophecies describe the probability of Gods divine guidance and the mind behind the Holy BibleJesus In Old Testament prophecy...
Besides specific prophecies to nations,individuals,cities,future etc. Ive chosen to focus on prophecies of Jesus. Jesus is an historical figure. The New Testament were writings of eyewitnesses. Astonishingly the Old Testament written before the coming contained very specific descriptions & prophecies .(Keep in mind that many books were written in different continents, over 1000yr span of time, & many generations).quote:
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"The messiah will descend from Shem (Genesis 9,10), Abraham (Genesis 22:18), Isaac (Genesis 26:2-4), Jacob (Genesis 28:14), Judah (Genesis 49:10), Jesse (Isaiah 11:1-5) & King David (Samuel 7:11-16). He will be born in the city of Bethlehem in the country of Ephrathah (Micah 5:2) when a bright star appears (Numbers 24:17). It will be a miraculous birth and he will be called immanuel which means "God with us"(Isaiah 7:14)
The Messiah will be unique, having preexisted his birth (Micah 5:2). He will perform many miracles: calming the sea (Psalms 107:29), the deaf to see, the blind to see, the lame to walk, and the mute to talk (Isaiah 35:4-6). He will be refered to in many ways including:
God with us (Isaiah 7:14), wonderful counsellor, mighty God, everlasting Father, & prince of peace (Isaiah 9:6). One day He will rule over everything - all nations will bow to him (Isaiah 45:23)The Messiah however, will come to save mankind (Isaiah 53). He will become mans sin offering (Isaiah 53) and present Himself to Jerusalem as both the annointed king (Zechariah 9:9) and the passover lamb (Isaiah 53). This will occur exactly 173,880 days after the decree by Artaxerxes to rebuild both Jerusalem & the Temple(Daniel 9:20-27). So, 4 days before passover, the Messiah will be present Himself to a rejoicing Jerusalem riding on a donkey(Zechariah 9:9). But then he will suffer greatly (Isaiah 53). He will be rejected by many including his friends (Isaiah 53). He will be betrayed by a friend (Psalm 41:9) for 30 pieces of silver(Zechariah 11:12,13). Later that money will be thrown on the floor of the temple (Zechariah 11:12,13) and will eventually go to a potter(Zechariah 11:12,13). At his trial He will not defend Himself. He will say nothing (Isaiah 53) except as required by law. Israel will reject him (Isaiah 8:14)The Messiah will be taken to a mountaintop identifed by Abraham as "the Lord will provide" (Genesis 22). There He will be cruicified with his hands and feet pierced (Psalms 22). His enemies will encircle him (Psalms 22) mocking him, and will cast lots for his clothing (Psalms 22). He will call to God asking why he was forsaken(Psalm 22). He will begiven gall & wine (Psalm 69:20-22). He will die with thieves (Isaiah 53). But unlike the thieves none of his bones will be broken (Psalms 22). His heart will fail (Psalms 22) as indicated by blood & water spilling out (Psalms 22) when he is pierced with a spear (Zechariah 12:10). He will be buried in a rich mans grave (Isaiah 53). In three days he will rise from the dead" (Isaiah 53,Psalms 22)----------------------------------------------------------------------------------NOTE: Jesus poem has been derived from a book of mine entitled "Is the Bible really a message from God" by Ralph O.Muncaster-GOD OR COINCIDENCE?This message has been edited by almeyda, 05-25-2004 12:07 AM

But some prophecies were beyond human controlPlace of birth (Micah 5:2)
Time of birth (Daniel 9:25,Genesis 49:10)
Manner of birth (Isaiah 7:14)Jesus has made such an impact on the world because of his prophetic fullfillment and moral teachings such as no man has ever known. The reason Jesus is the son of God is because he reserected and conquered death while the founders of every other religion decayed in their tombs. But of course this alone cannot convince anyone who reads. But at least the battle for truth continues to rage on.

DANIEL 9:25 - From this date to the Messiah will transpire a period of seven weeks and three score and two weeks. or 483yrs. And also Daniel 9:26 states "And after threescore and two weeks shall the Messiah be cut off". Prophecising the crucifixtion.GENESIS 49:10 - Shiloh is a hidden name for Messiah meaning "to whom it (scepter or kingdom) belongs. The phrase "And unto him shall be the gathering of the people" means literally "And unto him shall be the obdedience of the peoples". The reference to a lion in verse 9 points to the one who is called "The lion of Judah" (Revelation 5:5).

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Can you show a prophecy from the bible that is referenced in another ancient manuscript to show that the bible is not simply backing up its own story to boost its credentials? As I noticed in your post your only references are the bibleitself.
It is easy to be completely right when you are the only one talking.

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You still have not been able to provide a means of verifying that the bible prophecies are true by reference to other historical documents.Of course the new testament will verify the old,however,unless we have outside verification there is no way to determine that it is not the work of people with their own agendas.
Could you please give me an unambiguous example of a prophecy made by Jesus that has been fulfilled?

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The vastness of the number of accounts of the resurrection is particularly extraordinary considering:-Jesus was not in a position of public importance. Rome hardly knew of him until testimony of eyewitnesses threatened political & religious stability.-The records survived the most intensive eradication effort of all time. Christian witnesses were killed, written records were burned and anyone professing belif in christianity were executed. In A.D 303 an edict was issued to destroy all of the worlds Bibles and anyone with a Bible was to be killed.-Was the incredicly quantity/survival of the christian record a miracle or an expansion of a myth?. Why havent other religions with more prominent leaders,lifelong ministries and less persecution produce similar evidence?. Because Jesus resurrected from the dead thats why and no other religious founder has done so.NON-CHRISTIAN EVIDENCE...Thallus (circa AD 52) - Historical work referenced by Julius Africanus. Explains the darkness at the time of Christs death as a solar eclipse. While an eclipse did not occur in that period (pointed out by Julius Africanus), reference to Jesus death was stated as a matter of factJosephus (circa AD 64-93) - This Jewish historian referenced Jesus, his miracles, his crucifixion, and his disciples.Cornelius Tactitus (AD 64-116) - Writing to dispel rumours that Nero caused the great fire of Rome in AD64, he refers to christians as the followers of "Christus", who "had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilatus". The resurrection was called "the pernicious superstition"Phlegon (circa AD 120) - Referenced by Julius Africanus and Origen - referred to "eclipse". earthquake, and Jesus prophecies.When an event takes place in history and there are enough people alive who were eyewitnesses of it or had participated in the event, and when the information is published, one is able to verify the validity of an historical event. There is plenty more evidence of Christs existence, prohecy fullfullment and ressurection.You asked for one non biblical example and its the crucifixtion/resurrectionBuddhas tomb - OCCUPIED
Confucius tomb - OCCUPIED
Mohammeds tomb - OCCUPIED
Jesus tomb - EMPTYThis message has been edited by almeyda, 06-08-2004 01:12 AM

My earlier fullfillments are not worthless and did happen. They were not made up to prove a falsegod. They were accepted then because they really happened and it was an astoninshing thing that happened. If faking prophecies was so easy then why didnt another religion do it. And also not even the Jesus prophecies, What about the prophecies to cities, individuals, kings coming into power. All recorded in history as 100% fullfilled. Were all these faked? I can write those down if you want. I focused on Jesus prophecies in this thread. This type of factual eyewitness and historical documentation does not even apply in the case of other religious leaders. Because consider Buddha under a tree (alone), or Muhammad in his 'place of solitude' or Confucious, or Joseph Smith during his purported encounter with Moroni. Any of these people could have wrote anything and claim they were given divine revelation and nothing could contradict otherwise. On the other hand witnesses abounded with Jesus life, miracles, prophecies, resurrection. Jesus tomb has been found, A buriel shroud (shroud of turin) is believed by many people to be the actual burial shroud of Jesus

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Circular arguments are logical fallacies & are inadmissible. It's always the same with you guys, I show you logically valid evidence of millions to one that the K-T tektites are 65 million years old,

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You dont know what your talking about, Scientist cannot prove the age of the earth. No dating method, no nothing. To prove it to be exactly 4 or whatever billions old. Even millions is exessive. You are just brainwashed by secular evolutionary crap like 100000 + d/insaur=ageoftheearh 2353264362 layers. bla bla bla = 4.4 Billion. This is all crap. It doesnt mean anything or prove anything except to indoctrinate the world especially in the education system.

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If your claimed prophecy fulfilments are not worthless then why can't you defend them ?
There is not one that stands up to critical examination. And from your failure to actually discuss the issue I infer that you know that that is the case. Maybe I am wrong - but it is up to you to show that instead of running away from discussion and just expecting everyone to believe what you say - despite the evidence. But the fact remains that you have not replied to my posts on page one, nor have you adequately dealt with the issues rased by others.

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And yes you CAN find fulfilled "prophecies" in the Book of Mormon - I know, I've read it. And I doubt that you know the Quran any better. And why you would expect the Buddha to produce prophecies is beyond me - what does prophecy have to do with the Buddha's teachings ?

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Please back up your assertion that the Book of Mormon has a clear fullfilled prophecy.

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buddha's been resurrected from the dead 44 times! you can even talk to him today

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Hmm yea. You dont believe the evidence of Jesus who actually was eyewitnessd,yet you believe that?. What a bias you have, moreover what evidence is their of 44 resurrections?.

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If the age of the earth can't be "proven", why did you pretend you had evidence for a 6,000 year old earth? Hypocrite.

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Actually in another thread i wrote that its the same for creation. Dating methods are fallible. I did not use dating methods as evidence for a young earth. But there is still a difference. Things like carbon dating are completely irrelevant when trying to find things to be millions of yrs old. However in a younger earth it can be different and actually more logical. Whatever it may be dating methods are based on assumptions. Eugenie Scott herself said this also. And no Eugenie is not my only evidence proving dating methods must be invalid.

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So what is it, almeyda, do you reject all methods of measurement because they rely on "assumptions", or not? If you mean something specific, then say so.

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When you check your watch you can be alot more sure its right. If your going 60km in a car you can be sure you are going 60km. Dating the age of earth is a whole different scenario. It just doesnt come with the same authority as other scientific methods and assumptions.JONF -

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Eugenie Scott is not an expert on radioisotope dating. Nonetheless, please produce the source of this claim. And, BTW, "based on assumptions" is not evidence foir "is invalid".

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It was between a debate between herself and Ken Ham. It goes for 50min and i dont know whereabouts she said it. She just "of course" when asked if dating methods are based on assumptions. If you still want the link ill give, just ask again.