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Topic: Increase in Natural Disasters? Prophesied?
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Chiroptera
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Message 104 of 157 (259209)
11-12-2005 10:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 103 by Buzsaw
11-12-2005 10:03 PM
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Re: Is there any difference between Osama Bin Laden and Pat Robertson?
...Fidel Castro Jr. -- better known as Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez ....
...Mr. Chavez's Cyrillic shopping spree.... My first instinct is to be highly skeptical of essays that need to use phrases like this. Usually it's a sign of someone running off at the mouth. Check the original sources, that is, if there are original sources and this isn't just something that this clown overheard in a bar.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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Message 107 of 157 (259215)
11-12-2005 10:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 106 by Buzsaw
11-12-2005 10:23 PM
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Re: Is there any difference between Osama Bin Laden and Pat Robertson?
Hello, buz. Well, I need something to refute. Unsubstantiated rumors, innuendo, and name-calling in what seems to be an op-ed piece (I'm guessing -- the link you supplied doesn't take me to the article itself) isn't "information" that needs to be refuted.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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Message 110 of 157 (259218)
11-12-2005 10:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 106 by Buzsaw
11-12-2005 10:23 PM
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Re: Is there any difference between Osama Bin Laden and Pat Robertson?
I just found a link to that op-ed piece that you are referencing, buz. This is such a short article that I'm afraid that too much quoting will run afoul of "fair-use" laws. Nonetheless, I have to share:
The Monroe Doctrine warns against foreign intervention in the Western Hemisphere. It's a bad sign when someone needs to invoke the Monroe Doctrine.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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Message 112 of 157 (259224)
11-12-2005 10:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 111 by Buzsaw
11-12-2005 10:45 PM
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Is that the way it works?
Hi, buz.
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Imo, you, the one challenging the information are the one who should do some research to back up your allegations with something to refute it.
In my opinion, I don't need to back up my allegations any more than the person I'm challenging has. Since the writer of that piece offered no substantiation that Chavez is a tyrant and bent on oppressing his own people, I don't need to offer any substantiation of my challenge.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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Message 113 of 157 (259226)
11-12-2005 10:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 111 by Buzsaw
11-12-2005 10:45 PM
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Very interesting.
While it seems to be true that Venezuela is buying rifles, I can't seem to find any confirmation that he is buying MiGs. When I Google "hugo chavez mig" all I get are the usual kook sites: the Heritage Foundation, FrontPageMag, and Fox News.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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Message 117 of 157 (259233)
11-12-2005 11:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 114 by Buzsaw
11-12-2005 11:02 PM
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almost agree
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I guess my point is to show that the character of Christian notables such as PR, Falwell and Dobson are so often viciously attacked by posters here....
I would agree that it is bad form to slander anyone. Of course, it isn't slander if the attacks are based on actual fact. On the other hand, if the attack, even if factual, isn't relevant to the actual topic at hand, then the attack is rather gratuitous.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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Message 120 of 157 (259293)
11-13-2005 9:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 116 by jar
11-12-2005 11:06 PM
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Re: Very interesting.
Actually, I would say that buying 300,000 modern rifles for its military would be no big deal. Especially, when the Colombia civil war is spilling over the borders into Venezuela, and especially when pro-US Colombia is alleging that Venezuela is supporting the Colombian insurgents (and thereby setting the stage for you-know-what). I imagine that the AK-47 is popular because it is cheap and does the job. Edited to correct a typo. This message has been edited by Chiroptera, 13-Nov-2005 02:15 PM
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera
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Message 121 of 157 (259298)
11-13-2005 9:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 118 by Buzsaw
11-12-2005 11:19 PM
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Re: Is that the way it works?
' Morning, buz.
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Then until someone refutes it, it stands unrefuted for us all to judge for ourselves as to it's significance and credibility.
Well, if that's the way you see it. I still think, though, that it is the responsibility of the first person to make the claims (and that would be the writer of the op-ed piece) to offer some sort of substantiating evidence before anyone else really has the responsibility to try to refute it. I'm not even sure what the writer of the op-ed (or you) would accept as evidence that Chavez is not a despot. Added by edit:Oops. I just realized that this whole Chavez thing is getting way off-topic. Sorry folks. This message has been edited by Chiroptera, 13-Nov-2005 02:36 PM
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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