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1. This is just one miniscule example of the vast real estate and property that the Vatican essentially owns globally. It's worth a read. I've cited a small segment of the link so as for you to get an idea of what it's about. 2. My understanding is that the reason the Vatican "married" the clergy, instituting celibacy including the millions of priests, etc globally to the church (i.e. Vatican City) was to render all property of the clergy as property/entities of the RCC/Vatican City. Thus at the death of members of the church, Vatican City becomes the heirs of the clergy. The church needed money, etc to run the churches etc. The pre-celibacy priests & nuns who had families usually left their possessions, assets, etc to the relatives.These priests, nuns, bishops and popes etc often had great monetary assets including real estate, etc. By the institution of celibacy they became married to the church so the relatives could not legally claim the assets of the deceased church entities.It would be impossible to estimate the vast amount of property, including real estate that this entails globally. The amount would likely be in the trillions of $$$! Thanks Paul, for making my point. This is a classic example of how you people operate. You segmentize/mine out tids and bits of text so as to obfuscate the prophecies of scripture. Anyone with an objective attitude about truth relative to scripture knows that the woman of the waters is the same woman of the hills. This is undeniable. So much for your knowledge or more likely, for your interest in the facts relative to Biblical eschatology.This is why you needn't always expect responses from me on some of the nonsense which you persistently and incessantly whine about relative to lack of response from me. Thanks again for making my point. This is classic PaulKish MO.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Would you mind elaborating on my problem, Coragyps?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

The city was identified (paraphrased), "trafficking in souls."This was Papal Rome; Spiritual Babylon, ruling with the sword.When the sword was taken away from Papacy and Pope, by the 10 Horns [10 Papal States; see: "Italian Revolution" (AD 1848-70)], then the definition of the City was ended.sl33w

The 10 horns are end time global kingdoms; not papal states. They hate, persecute and destroy Mystery Babylon/harlot woman as per Revelation 17 and 18. The 10 horned beast is addressed textually in Rev 13, Rev 17, Rev 18 and in Daniel 7. They are one and the same. The Mystery Babylon woman sits on the beast but is not part and parcel of the beast, including it's horns.To understand them one must corroborate info from all text references.sl33w

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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There was a time in history subsequent to the time of the prophecy to the tune of several centuries when the popes of Rome essentially ruled the rulers of the world, i.e. ".....kings of the earth have commited fornication with her." (Revelation 18:3).

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Bet that was news to the Emperor of China, the Princes of India, the King of Siam, the Tokugawa Shogunate, the Bantu kingdoms, and the Ottoman Empire. Guess over half the world's population don't count in your definition of humanity.

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I stand by what I stated, there was no time in history up to the present "to the tune of several centuries when the popes of Rome essentially ruled the rulers of the world."Now a person of integrity would admit they made a mistake, retract such a false statement and move on.What does Buzsaw do?Refuse to admit any culpability as shown by this response meant to 'palm the pea.' So now "the popes of Rome essentially ruled the rulers of the world" has become "rulers of prominent nations were subject to the oppressive religion of one city."Nice try Buz, but I think once again you have fooled no one but yourself.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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1. is just one miniscule example of the vast real estate and property that the Vatican essentially owns globally. It's worth a read. I've cited a small segment of the link so as for you to get an idea of what it's about.

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Looks pretty dubious. The ownership summary for the Bank of America doesn't seem to indicate that it is owned by anyone. Even the top 50 institutional investors have less than 50% of shares between them.The references to the British monarchy look pretty suspect, too (looks like Lyndon LaRouche's stuff to me).. You need a better source than this.And even so, you don't link the ownership to Vatican City as such.

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2. My understanding is that the reason the Vatican "married" the clergy, instituting celibacy including the millions of priests, etc globally to the church (i.e. Vatican City) was to render all property of the clergy as property/entities of the RCC/Vatican City. Thus at the death of members of the church, Vatican City becomes the heirs of the clergy. The church needed money, etc to run the churches etc. The pre-celibacy priests & nuns who had families usually left their possessions, assets, etc to the relatives.

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Thanks Paul, for making my point. This is a classic example of how you people operate. You segmentize/mine out tids and bits of text so as to obfuscate the prophecies of scripture. Anyone with an objective attitude about truth relative to scripture knows that the woman of the waters is the same woman of the hills. This is undeniable. So much for your knowledge or more likely, for your interest in the facts relative to Biblical eschatology.

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Yes, it is an example of how I operate. By reading the Bible and honestly reporting what it says. The way you operate is to twist the BIble to try to make it say what you want and then resort to slander when your falsehoods are exposed.If you bothered to read my points you will note that I never said that there were two different women. Rather I reported that your assertions relied on jumbling up the statement of Revelation 178:1 with the explanation of the vision of 17:3-6 given in 17:7-13. There is absolutely no reason to force these statements together other than your wish to reject Rome as the intended meaning.Let us note that you do not even try to address my points that the Vatican cannot be the city, because it is neither a "Great City" nor a major commercial centre.

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This is why you needn't always expect responses from me on some of the nonsense which you persistently and incessantly whine about relative to lack of response from me.

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Yes, because I bother to read the Bible and expose your misrepresentations. You can't honestly answer my points so you run away.

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Thanks again for making my point. This is classic PaulKish MO.

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Yes, telling the truth again. That is why you run away. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

You do realise that you are trying everything that you can to make things fit the prophecy?Have you ever wondered why every single Bible 'prophecy' needs to be manipulated in some way, there are no straightforward predictions in the Bible, you have to strangle your brain every time you bring one of these up.Has it ever occurred to you that the prophecy is wrong?

To: Buzsaw1) First you need to understand, "The second Dark Ages."
They began by denying, "The Age of Englightenment," the Millennium.
They taught you that you cannot beleive any of the "men of the God" from the past.
These men were, "Living God writers."
The Bible message was banned worldwide, and the Pope's "dead god" was substituted, "in all nations" (churches; Rev 20.7-8) for the Living God.
The last book about, "God being alive" (before my books) was Halley's Bible Handbook, 1945.
Now "Speculative Theology" -- from the Pope, has been substituted for Bible knowledge.
Your insistance, that Babylon is at the End of the Word, is from the Pope.
Premillennialism = no God!
Preterism = no God!
Spiritualism = no God!But then, men were not that stupid from 1560 to 1948.The "Great Censorship" was begun when the "World Council of Churches" was founded in August 1948. Their stated Primary Goal is: "Unity with the Pope."2) The Ten Horns (10 Papal States) ruled for "one hour with the Beast" (Pagan Rome). "One Hour" = 15 Days, or Years. In this case, it was Years -- before the Fall of Pagan Rome in AD 476. So then, the Pope's nonsense about the End of the World was exposed lomg ago.3) Why does the Pope teach, "No Living God"?
He has published the answer to that question: "The Pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth."
A "Vicar" is a substitute ruler for someone else.
Because "God is dead" -- according to the Pope, then yo are only left with the "Vicar of the dead God."4) Durning the "Age of Enlightenment" the men of God published all these atheistic claims of the Papacy and the Pope.5) The Papacy and Popes have never been able to predict the future like the Protestant and Millennium writers had done And like I can do today."The Papacy and Pope will be exposed in 2015 by an act of similar magnitude to God running them out of Rome in 1879. They had an 11 year fall (June 4, 1859- September 20, 1870 (A).
They are now in their second "11 year fall" (2004--2015) (B).
A) Beast (Papacy) and False Prophet (Pope) cast into lake of fire 'alive' (meaning that they would be loosed) - Rev 19.20.
B) Beast (Papacy) and False Prophet (Pope) cast into lake of fire with the Devil (Preacher) - Rev 20.10.6) The Papacy was the "Eighth Head" sitting on the Beast with seven Heads. 7 Heads = Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, Eastern Roman Empire. B. W. Johnson published this in 1891,, and many others since that date.7) Your "naming the seven hills of Rome" was nonsense from the Pope.
Strong's Greek #3735 is "hill" only 2 times; and is "
Mountain" 57 times. These Mountains are said to be seven Heads and seven Kings; see: 6).8) To think of "hills" is "worldly"; but to thinkof "Mountan/Kingdom" is spiritual.9) The men who lived closer to the Papal Inquisitions understood who spiritual Babylon was better than the "men of the Second Dark Ages" today. You should read, "Foxe's Book of Martyrs," about all of the "burnings at the stake in England. Bloody Mary (Cathclic) burned 313 at the stake in her short reign of 5 years and 4 months.
This was the "Woman (Babyon) drunk with the blood of the saints" - Rev 17.6.sl33w

To: RuehAramaic was from the middle of the first century AD until AD 250.But the Pope used "corrupted" Hebrew to make #666 = Nero.1) A "fake vowel" (O) is needed for the #6. But it is not in the Hebrew.
The Greek letter "O" (OMega) = 800! [Why did the Pope substitute Hebrew for a Greek message?]2) The letter "S" (Sin = 200) was changed to "Samech ["C-sharp" ].If you get away with tha much lying, then you can prove anything that your wish.So then, NR[o]N K[c]N = 666, supposedly.But what about purity.In the Greek, "Neron" = 50, 5,800 (Omega), 50 = 905."I Protera" = tenth 'first of two' = 10, 80, 100, 70, 300, 5, 100,1 = 666 -- = Pope Gregory I (r. 590-604).sl33w

Reply to: angalardQuote: "I stand by what I stated, there was no time in history up to the present 'to the tune of several centuries when the popes of Rome essentially ruled the rulers of the world'."Pope Gregory I was the "father of the Dark Ages", beginning the "43 Months" (1260 Years) in AD 600.Pope Leo I was the "father of the Inquisition," reported by Albert Barnes to have murdered 62,500,000 in that period of time. The sumation was documented. Most were killed in America, and Mexico, and Central America, and Southern America by the Spanish conquistadors. One famous nation (I forget the name now) was wiped out competely.
Bloody Mary kiled 313, burned at the stake, in a short reign of 5 years, 4 months.
The St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre was expanded, totaling 10,000 Protestants murdered in northern Europe.The English Civil War of about 40 years was constant murder of civilians.William Tyndale was murdered for translating the Bible by the papists.The God of justice brought the Roman Catholics into "remembrance" (Rev 16.19) for their Papal Inquisitions in the First World War.
The Catholcs of Britain, France, Italy, Greece were murdering the Catholics of Germany, Austrio-Hungary.
The Catholics of Findland and of Russia were bent on killing each other off. This went on for 4 years.Finally, God, and President Wilson, sent General John J. Pershing to put an end of murdering Catholics murdering each other.sl33w

The world is bigger than Europe, in fact the world is bigger than even all the European colonies at their height. Now if you would like to argue that the UK (which owned a quarter of the world at their peak), the US, Canada, Australia, China, Japan, Thailand, the Ottoman Empire, Persia, Indonesia, or for that matter even Latin America whose revolutions were often anti-clerical, were taking their orders from the Pope feel free. Or in other words, feel free to have your arguments quashed.I still "stand by what I stated, there was no time in history up to the present 'to the tune of several centuries when the popes of Rome essentially ruled the rulers of the world'."Do you own a globe? If not perhaps now is a good time to look into it.ABE - Also you are wrong about the papacy ruling all of Europe for any 1260 years as most vikings did not convert until around 1000 AD and the pagan Prussians and Lithuanians were not conquered by the Teutonic Knights until the 1200s. Plus you still have that problem with the Eastern Orthodox Church of the Byzantine Empire and Russia splitting from Rome and any papacy in 1054 AD.Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

Reply to: angalardThe Kings of the Earth:1) Literalism Is Certain Death.“Who also made us sufficient ministers of a New Covenant, not of letter, but of Spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit makes alive” - 2Cor 3.6.“Through this I speak to them in parables that seeing, they do not see, and hearing, they do not hear, nor do they understand” - Mt 13.13.“Glory of [plural] Gods (MYHLA), the hiding of a speaking, and glory of kings, searching out speaking” - Prov 25.2.“But a natural man [meaning, you] receives not the [things] of the Spirit of the God, for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to know, for they are spiritually discerned” - 1Cor 2.14.“But you are not in flesh but in Spirit, if Spirit of God dwells in you; if anyone does not have Spirit of Anointed, this [one] is not of Him” - Rom 8.9.NOTE: “We are not human beings, but a new [spiritual] creation.”If you do not know the 7 Spirits of God, you are lost.If you are lost, you had been referred to by Iesous as “blind” and “dead.”2) Kings of the Earth in Symbolism“Ask from Me (Father) and I will give her, nations, an inheritance of You (Iesous), and possessions of You (Iesous) ends of Earth (Israel). You will thunder them in rod of iron, as vessel of pottery, and You will dash them - Ps 2.8-9This is a prophecy of God destroying the nation of Israel with His Roman legions. “Nations” refers to the 12 Tribes of Israel. “Earth” refers to “the abode of the nation of Israel.”3) Declared Ambiguity.“For not all the [ones] from Israel, these Israel; neither because they are the seed of Abraham [are] all children. But in Isaac will be called seed of you . . For [ones] not yet being born, not practicing anything good or bad, so that the [ones] according to Election might remain purpose of the God, not of works but of The [One] calling . I loved the Jacob, but I hated the Esau”” - Rom 9.6-12.“And thus all Israel will be saved, just as it is written” - Rom 11.26.a) Israel divided.
b) Jacob loved.
c) Esau hated.
d) All Israel saved.And here is demonstrated, “The Limited Generality.” This method of “Limited Generalities” was employed throughout the Bible.4) “Kings of Earth”; Rev 17.18.“And the Woman (Babylon) whom you saw is the great City, the [one] having kingship on [will] of the kings of the Earth (Europe)” - Rev 17.18.The qualifying statements, as to who these kings were, are: “The Mother of Prostitutes and of the Abominations of the Earth (Europe)” (Rev 17.5).#666, Pope Gregory I, placed “the Mark of the Beast (Papacy) in the Foreheads (Minds)” of his captives. And - this was not limited to his lifetime. Jaywill and Buzsaw cannot open their mouths without reciting the “blasphemies of the Beast.” This is also true of you.The evidence against you is preponderous!The “Living God Writers” (1680-1948) all understood these subjects.The “Second Dark Ages” did not begin until 1959.5) You have some beautiful postscripts about “independent thinking.” But, you do not believe in it!Sl33w

I was incorrect about aramaic, thank you for finding my error.However in Hebrew Nero Caesar" is spelled “ ”, pronounced "Neron Qe[i]sar". Adding the corresponding values yields 666, as shown:
Resh=200 Samekh=60 Qoph=100 Nun=50 vav=6 Resh=200 Nun=50 Total=666or Removing the terminal (written as ) makes the name "Nero" rather than "Neron", and makes the numeric value 616
Resh Samekh Qoph vav Resh Nun TOTAL
200 60 100 6 200 50 616
Wich is believed to be the original reading. Either way we have a numerical correspondence to Nero. But we could really use numbers to make the number 666 apply to anybody, Ronald Reagen anyone?

If you have condemned Buzsaw, Jaywill and I to hell for somehow countering the self-proclaimed voice of God (or is it voice of something like Sauron?) as you have done here: All I can say to someone who insists that Europe is larger than the world is have fun talking to your navel, I'm sure the answers you receive are exactly what you want to hear.As for me, this is the last reply I will make to any of your statements unless and until I perceive a marginally rational and balanced mind behind such posts.Edited by anglagard, : to be nice

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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And even then, they hedged their bets.If you look at the old stave churches in Scandinavia, you find that the steeples have dragon heads flanking them. They weren't too sure about this new-fangled religion coming along so they built the churches with the old pagan symbols plastered all over them so that just in case it didn't work out, they could still use the building.

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