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Author Topic:   THE STATUS OF WOMEN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT EPISTLES
Dilyias
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Message 2 of 26 (59332)
10-04-2003 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Raha
10-03-2003 1:10 PM


I believe it is mostly speculation. There isn't a hard proof out there. However, it makes sense that this was the attitude of the Church back then as it piggybacks on the patriarchal Old Testament.
In "the olden days" women were sold to their husbands, husbands could buy and own multiple wives - not the other way around. Men could have their wives killed if they found they were not virgins after wedding/purchasing them. The reason it was so bad to sleep with an unmarried woman was because it was a disgrace to the father who would now not receive money/riches from selling his daughter to a husband.
When the Israelites went to attack other nations they were instructed to kill the men, mothers, and boys but check any attractive women and keep them for themselves if they were virgins. Imagine you being a woman in this time and a soldier comes in, kills your husband and throws you on the table and opens your dress to check if you are a "virgin", killing you if you are not.... And God was ok with, nay - he commanded this? *shudders* Women were booty, like cattle and food and riches..
For years Christianity has seen man as the head of the household - to this day some conservative churches still do not permit women to teach over a man at church or in the home. Fortunately Paul's ideas (if they were his) are much tamer than what they could have been considering the source.
So in closing I feel it is very likely that it is not a forgery, it seems to fit in with the general thought of the NT.
Eric

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Dilyias
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Posts: 21
From: Minnesota
Joined: 10-02-2003


Message 25 of 26 (59779)
10-06-2003 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Raha
10-04-2003 9:39 AM


Ok, after having read the surrounding verses it appears quite clear to me that this is a forgery, or later add-in. It completely breaks the train of thought.
But I fail to see how this really changes anything. There are other verses that express the same idea, such as 1st Timothy 2:9-15. Women are allowed to learn the law in silence but they could not teach or have authority over a man. This IS a step up from the Jewish tradition where women were not allowed to learn the law at all.
This then obviously means that a women could not teach in church or speak, they were PRIVALIGED (from the perspective back then) to be able to sit in and learn when the law was taught.
So while it appears that 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 is in fact a later add-on, I believe it makes no real difference. The idea is there expressed in other verses. It makes sense based on the history of the Jewish tradition, and while it seems oppressive to us nowadays it actually was giving woman more freedom than they had before; the ability to learn the law (albeit in silence).
Eric

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