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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 36 of 213 (69325)
11-25-2003 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Cold Foreign Object
11-25-2003 8:50 PM


His unconditional love has one condition : that a person respond to it in a predetermined amount of time only known to God. The bare minimum that God asks is that a person acknowledge Him as God and to be thankful.

Um I just couldn't wrap my mind around this; his love is unconditional but still has a condition? Would you be so kind as to clarify this?

Yes God ordered children to be killed there is no way around that. You will never understand God or His book until you accept the fact that if God is God He has the right to take life.

But didn't god clearly state with the Ten Commandments that it is evil to murder? So isn't he by his own definition evil?

In the case of the people who occupied the promised land, God judged those people for rejecting Him, He gave them 40 years this is why the O.T. says that He did not permit them to be destroyed earlier because "their iniqiuty was not yet full" .

But before you stated that our rejection of god was a punishment for doubting him. So he is punishing them for being punished?

Please explain

PS: On the Hitler issue, how is Hitler’s genocide of the Jews any different from god’s genocide of non-believers??????

[This message has been edited by Rand Al'Thor, 11-25-2003]


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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 64 of 213 (71328)
12-06-2003 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by jantoo1
12-06-2003 12:56 AM


Re: Message of the Bible
Jantoo1,
Did you even read the replies to the original message before you posted? Have you even read the bible? I have and if you think murder, rape, genocide, cannibalism, and infanticide are examples of love you need some help.

Also, if jesus is willing to endure anything for us why not send him to hell to experience a little of his own medicine.
BTW you are making yourself look like an idiot by posting the “Oh, jesus loves us all.” crap. I suggest that you back up assertions with evidence.


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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 74 of 213 (72873)
12-14-2003 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Cold Foreign Object
12-14-2003 7:02 PM


Ahhh, so god thinks that Adam and Eve represent all of the people living on the earth so he sees no problems with ordering the murder/rape of thousands/millions of people. Of course god created "satan" so he is actually the one responsible for tricking Adam and Eve but hey it’s ok because god admitted his vindictiveness in the OT.

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 93 of 213 (76955)
01-07-2004 4:03 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Cold Foreign Object
01-06-2004 11:27 PM


Re: Does God do what he says, or whatever he wants?
I have a Question:

Why did god create the tree in the first place? Being god he must have known that Adam and Eve would disobey him so why would he make the tree? Is he just looking for an excuse to murder millions?


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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 100 of 213 (77091)
01-08-2004 12:38 AM
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01-07-2004 3:25 PM


Re: Does God do what he says, or whatever he wants?
But if god is Omnipotent then he would have already known whether Adam and Eve would take the bait, so what is the point of testing them? Also if god made humans then it is his fault that Adam and Eve disobeyed him. If he wanted humans to do everything he wanted then why not create them that way?

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 105 of 213 (77189)
01-08-2004 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Brian
01-08-2004 10:29 AM


Re: Does God do what he says, or whatever he wants?
I agree with you completely, I was just speaking hypothetically for the sake of argument. Hopefully we will get a response from Willotree soon.

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 110 of 213 (77269)
01-09-2004 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Cold Foreign Object
01-08-2004 10:48 PM


Willowtree,
Doesn't matter if there is one exception or a million, either god is Omniscient or he is not. You can't have it both ways.

If you fear God then you want to make Him happy and trust is what makes Him happy.

Umm are you saying that we should believe in god because we are afraid of him? Not a very good reason to believe.

Question1: Why does god see it as unfair that he punished Satan to eternity in hell yet he sees no problem with punishing humans to eternity in hell?

Question2: Why a book? Of all the billions of ways to get his message across why would he use a book? Why not write it in the sky or have it imprinted onto our brains at birth? And what is the point of god giving us freewill if he doesn't want us to use it?

More importantly why did god create satan with character flaws? Why wouldn't god create him to be perfect so he wouldn't rebel?


"If the gods listened to the prayers of men, all humankind would quickly perish since they constantly pray for many evils to befall one another."
-- Epicurus

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 157 of 213 (77797)
01-11-2004 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by P e t e r
01-11-2004 2:45 PM


I am a green alien from Mars.

Peter by your standards this is evidence.


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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 187 of 213 (78334)
01-14-2004 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by Cold Foreign Object
01-12-2004 9:47 PM


Willowtree,

This is why the sacrifices of the O.T. are so important, and the greatest sacrifice of all - Christ's.
He died. That was it. It might have been a painful death but nonetheless simply death. How is this a "great" sacrifice to an immortal being? A "great" sacrifice would be spending a hundred million years in hell. I am sorry but I don't see how this is any big deal.

We are born under the jurisdiction of Satan who controls the world.

But if he controls the world why doesn't he simply remove freewill and make us all evil? Also why is it that Atheists that have no "connection" to god are not murdering, raping, and stealing as ordered by Satan.

All the ancients believed in God

Native Americans?

It is only this modern yuppie trash generation that rejects His existence based upon their desire to not want a Boss.

First of all that is a blatant lie, Atheism has been around almost as long as religion if not longer. Secondly have you even considered that Atheists could actually want to see some evidence instead of believing blindly?

Yaro, your assumption that whoever had no knowledge of God is purely subjective.

As is your assumption that those people did have knowledge of god.

All the death in the O.T. testifies to the seriousness of sin.

Not really, just to the seriousness of gods violent responses.

We have free will, there is a devil tempting us to mis use it.

So god would prefer it if we didn't use our freewill at all and just do what he says, right?

But God holds the sinner accountable, Satan only wants to destroy that which God loves because this is his only avenue to hurt God for His refusal to forgive him of his rebellious mutiny.

So if I give some 5 year old kid on the street a gun it is the kids' fault if the gun gets fired?

I only said that there was ONE exception to the omniscience of God

I have said this before, it doesn't matter if there is one exception or a million either god is omniscient or he is not. There is no middle ground.

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 207 of 213 (79006)
01-17-2004 2:36 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by Cold Foreign Object
01-16-2004 8:38 PM


Willowtree:

While I do not fully understand why the suffering of one person means that another should be forgiven that was not the question I was asking.

The question I was asking was: What made the suffering of christ any greater then that of other people that have been crucified or worse? I mean, assuming that christ was an immortal being, in that his consciousness can never die, why is it such a huge sacrifice for him to die on the cross? I know that it must have been a slow and painful death but many people have died in just as horrible ways if not worse.

Also you say that one must believe specifically that christ died on the cross and that he was god's son to have your sins removed. But how does this affect the people that never heard of Christianity like the Native Americans. Are they all damned just because they were not in the right place at the right time to hear about Christianity?


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