Message of the Bible

I don't know of any verse in the bible which makes that claim.

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2 Tim 3:16

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Every scripture [is] divinely inspired, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for correction, for instruction in righteousness;

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that the man of God may be complete, fully fitted to every good work.

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My understanding of the word of God, it that it is a living spirit as opposed to text on printed paper.I can see a lot of quoting of the word of God in text but I wouldn't call such quoting the word of God per se.

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James 4:5

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Think ye that the scripture speaks in vain?
Does the Spirit which has taken his abode in us desire enviously?

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John 10:34

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Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

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If he called *them* gods to whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken),

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do ye say of him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest, because I said, I am Son of God ?

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I'd say the word of God is far to excellent to be reduced to text, ink on paper.

Maybe you were provided an offering from God, but for some reason you declined it.
Mark 4:11

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And he said to them, To you is given [to know] the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to them who are without, all things are done in parables , 12 that beholding they may behold and not see, and hearing they may hear and not understand, lest it may be, they should be converted and they should be forgiven. I suppose in the least it's a matter of perspective/intelligence.Let's say you made a contract with a bank manager for a large loan.
Let's say for whatever reason you were unable to pay it back.
Chance's are you'll be in trouble, and the bank acts against you with vengeance. That's one kind of contract I'd rather not make.Let's say you you made an agreement with a friend for a large loan.
Let's say for whatever reason you were unable to pay it back.
Chance's are your friend would let you continue paying back when you were able or if he's really good friend he'll say don't worry about paying it back.Point, made any contracts lately? Bet you have!
See any contracts in verse, hint OT, NT.
Luke 16:13

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No servant can serve two masters , for either he will hate the one and will love the other, or he will cleave to the one and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Guidelines! I tend to see them as laws in the OT, and commandments in the NT. Have you heard, God has chosen a people?
Ever give consideration that Israel became a nation again about 60 years ago?
Mark 13:8

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For nation shall rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be earthquakes in [different] places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these things [are the] beginnings of throes. 9 But *ye*, take heed to yourselves, for they shall deliver you up to sanhedrims and to synagogues: ye shall be beaten and brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony to them; 10 and the gospel must first be preached to all the nations.
It's been about 2000 years since John started preaching it, seems you haven't taken it to heart for some reason(s).[This message has been edited by P e t e r, 01-09-2004]

I'll take that as you declining that something who's source could be from God.Myself I tend to look at the bible as a never ending story. Simile: A figure of speech that expresses a resemblance between things of different kinds (usually formed with 'like' or 'as')Your average Holy Bible is made up of two testaments.Testament:1 A profession of belief
2 A legal document declaring a person's wishes regarding the disposal of their property when they die
3 Strong evidence for something Nope, trying to emphasize how we are bound to the contracts/agreements we make and the resulting outcomes. Idealy they should be kept, but some can't keep them or comphrehend that they ought to.
Hebrews 9;28

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thus the Christ also, having been once offered to bear the sins of many, shall appear to those that look for him the second time without sin for salvation.

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Chow for now.

What verse are referring to? Which pillaging and inocent people are you referring to? How about this;Isai 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to acquire the remnant of his people which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 And he shall lift up a banner to the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel , and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. You mentioned earlier how you viewed God differently between the OT and NT.Given they are two different covenants, dictates differences of how things operated. I used the loan simile between a banker or friend to highlight how results can differ. Isai 13:16

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And their infants shall be dashed in pieces before their eyes, their houses shall be rifled, and their women ravished.
Due to my lack of omniscience I couldn't accurately say.

Isai 14:32

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And what shall be answered to the messengers of the nation? That Jehovah hath founded Zion, and the afflicted of his people find refuge in it. I don't have all the data pertaining to the situation therefore a yes or no is not merited.On a side note, do you condone fornicators/adulterers removing their unborn fetus's from the womb and/or trashing them. I wonder if at some point all those ancient people back then will get an opportunity to hear the gospel before the resurrection.

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1 Peter 4:6

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For to this [end] were the glad tidings preached to [the] dead also, that they might be judged, as regards men, after [the] flesh, but live, as regards God, after [the] Spirit.

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Mark 16:15

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And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the glad tidings to all the creation. 16 He that believes and is baptised shall be saved, and he that disbelieves shall be condemned .

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Can't say I'm an expert on holiness and although it's somewhat foreign to mankind since time immemorial, it appears to high on someone's agenda in our universe.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I would settle for ANY evidence.

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You did write, "Any".The authorities who issue money have given evidence of their trust in
God.
Romans 13:3

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For rulers are not a terror to a good work, but to an evil [one]. Dost thou desire then not to be afraid of the authority? practise [what is] good, and thou shalt have praise from it; 4 for it is God's minister to thee for good. But if thou practisest evil, fear; for it bears not the sword in vain; for it is God's minister, an avenger for wrath to him that does evil.

It's of no consequence who knows more or less.It qualifies as evidence whether it has been established as fact or not.Evidence;

1 Your basis for belief or disbelief; knowledge on which to base belief

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2 An indication that makes something evident

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3(law) all the means by which any alleged matter of fact whose truth is investigated at judicial trial is established or disproved

So you're basically saying they are liars by giving false evidence.
Interesting, care to elaborate why they would want to do that or how your evidence in your statement is truthfull?

Absolutely incorrect. Testimony qualifies as evidence.

John 5:37

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And the Father who has sent me himself has borne witness concerning me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor have seen his shape, 38 and ye have not his word abiding in you; for whom *he* hath sent, him ye do not believe . Could be more to it than that.
Mat 5:8

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Blessed the pure in heart , for *they* shall see God.

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I can see that in Law courts. However most of world's daily occurences of evidences happen outside courts of law. Did you read the first definition of evidence I gave earlier? It's my understanding God is more on the spiritual side of things.
Did you read the verse about Jesus, he is quoted to of been sent by God in the flesh to testify about God.
John 8:16

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And if also I judge, my judgment is true, because I am not alone, but I and the Father who has sent me. 17 And in your law too it is written that the testimony of two men is true: 18 I am [one] who bear witness concerning myself, and the Father who has sent me bears witness concerning me. Seems we have a conflict of evidence. Proof is somewhat scarce, I've yet to come across a person who believes in Jesus who professes there is no God.Statistically, in this criteria the evidence favours there is a God.
1 John 4:2

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Hereby ye know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses Jesus Christ come in flesh is of God;

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and every spirit which does not confess Jesus Christ come in flesh is not of God: and this is that [power] of the antichrist , [of] which ye have heard that it comes, and now it is already in the world. Kind of hard to discern any physical evidence without having a spirit
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You're getting confusing. I take testimonies as evidence, I'd say you're the one who doesn't think testimony for God is evidence for God. I'd say I've given more than one, and you can add the one above to the rest of them. I'm not pretending. You shouldn't be making inacurate statements of my position in these matters. But it does present evidence that Santa exists. Could you provide a link for your statistics.Nowhere have I mentioned that the number of evidences or not determines existance of God. Once again you are making an inacurate statement about my position.As of late, it doesn't look to me being truthful is one of your strong points.
Proverbs 12:17

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He that uttereth truth sheweth forth righteousness; but a false witness deceit. In a certain way.

Interesting, by faith do you accept the evidence of those statistics as accurate?I'd have a hard time establishing that evidence as true.Does appear though most have faith in God of some type.

I haven't read all of Asgara's posts in this topic or the one asking for independant verification, but the one I did read at the beginning of this topic and responded to, Asgara asked for "ANY" evidence.Perhaps you could supply the post where Asgara asked for independant verification to help clear up this problem.I'm more inclined to see those evidences I posted as that which serves as evidence as opposed to "independant verification of the existence of belief in God seperate from the bible". Also, I used some bible verses as evidence.One of the definitions of

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Evidence;Your basis for belief or disbelief; knowledge on which to base belief.

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Correct. However I'm not supplying proof, I'm supplying evidences. Chances are the technigues or technical jargon I would need to employ to verify those evidences would be beyond my capabilities or desires. Incorrect. There is always the possibility that those claims are true. Not until proven false could I not allow those claims. That shouldn't be a problem, try going to a christian book store. Basically I'd have to disagree. Always remember, just because there could be error about doesn't rule out truth is there also.There are occasions when all you have is testimonies.Testimony;1 A solemn statement made under oath

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2 An assertion offering firsthand authentication of a fact

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3 Something that serves as evidence
1 John 5:10

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He that believes on the Son of God has the witness in himself; he that does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the witness which God has witnessed concerning his Son.

I'd have to say you don't have a complete understanding of evidence.Earlier you made this statement; I'm guessing those people are on the little side of age. A world of credulity does have various subtleties such as reliability of someone's history of truthfulness.Imagine parents actually telling their young children there is a Santa Claus without having a belief for Santa.I suppose the criminal justice system could be considered in a way a temporary fix to an ongoing problem whose solution is yet to be ultimately settled.
Rev 21:8

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But to the fearful and unbelieving, [and sinners], and those who make themselves abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part [is] in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
Correct. My statement should be taken in relation to my statement immediately prior, which was; To elaborate, say I came across a hundred people who believe in Jesus and none of them told me they didn't believe in God, statisically the evidence favours there is a God.Why you would say I equate that with all people of various faiths and dispositions where the majority is correct by virtue of size, is beyond me. OK.

Correct. On behalf of everybody, Welcome to EarthQuestion:When/how did you arrive?[This message has been edited by P e t e r, 01-11-2004]