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Asgara
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Message 7 of 213 (68574)
11-22-2003 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Cold Foreign Object
11-22-2003 3:38 PM


You reject God because you dont like the way He treated some people

Willowtree,

What you don't seem to understand is that most atheists don't reject your god because of what we percieve him to have done. We don't believe in him period. How can you reject the actions of something you don't believe in?

I see the discussions on the bible as analogous with this thread on the Matrix movies. With one small exception, The Brothers W, creators of the movies, aren't trying to get it taught as fact in our schools and aren't trying to pass legislation based on it's tenets.

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Asgara
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Message 11 of 213 (68594)
11-22-2003 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Cold Foreign Object
11-22-2003 4:46 PM


Re: Reply to Atheists
So, in other words, god responds to our disbelief by giving us disbelief?

Basically what I am seeing here is the argument of the elect. If god does not choose me then he makes me disbelieve? He doesn't choose me because I disbeleive? Talk about circular arguments.

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Asgara
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Message 17 of 213 (68658)
11-22-2003 8:44 PM
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11-22-2003 8:40 PM


Re: Reply to Yaro
You do not want God to exist because you do not want a boss, it wouldnt matter how much evidence there was you all still wouldnt believe.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I would settle for ANY evidence.

Maybe you could paraphrase the subject of the book you mention, give us the best evidence you think it provides.

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Asgara
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Message 58 of 213 (71232)
12-05-2003 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Zhimbo
12-05-2003 1:00 PM


Hi Zhimbo,

I originally thought that myself, and Willow never said either way. But look at this post, www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=205&m=8#8 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=205&m=8#8">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=205&m=8#8

He also sent me an email and the name listed was most definately a guy.

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Asgara
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Message 123 of 213 (77495)
01-09-2004 11:18 PM
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01-09-2004 11:06 PM


hhmm the back of a twenty dollar bill is evidence of just what exactly?

Considering the topic of this thread, and rereading the post I had replied to, I am assuming that this is evidence of god? Help me out here.

I will make another assumption and say you are specifically asking me to look at the "IN GOD WE TRUST" line. So how is a line added to our monetary units in the 1950s as a response to the "Red Threat" meant to be evidence of god or the message of the bible?


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Asgara
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Message 128 of 213 (77504)
01-09-2004 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by crashfrog
01-09-2004 11:35 PM


Not to mention that this isn't even evidence of their belief....just of their willingness to make others think they believe.


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Asgara
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Message 132 of 213 (77512)
01-10-2004 12:26 AM
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01-10-2004 12:21 AM


ahh I'm not saying anything of the sort...

I am saying that it isn't evidence of anything as it could lead to numerous reasonings.

Again, how is this evidence of god?


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Asgara
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Message 141 of 213 (77531)
01-10-2004 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by P e t e r
01-10-2004 2:31 AM


Statistically most people don't believe in your God, so by your standards of evidence, your God does not exist.

Could you provide a link for your statistics.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
http://www.missionfrontiers.org/2000/03/pdf/overview2.pdf

These will give you evidence of people's beliefs, though not evidence of whether or not their beliefs are true


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"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

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Asgara
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Message 155 of 213 (77791)
01-11-2004 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by P e t e r
01-11-2004 2:45 PM


I haven't read all of Asgara's posts in this topic or the one asking for independant verification, but the one I did read at the beginning of this topic and responded to, Asgara asked for "ANY" evidence.

Actually, the post you responded to was a response to WT saying that no matter how much evidence we were shown of god's existence we would still not believe. I asked for "any" evidence of god's existence. All you have given me is evidence of people's beliefs in gods existence, not the evidence that led them to this belief.

In a court of law, if Sally said John committed the murder of Ed and the ONLY "evidence" of this is Sally's say so, it won't wash. If the court cannot find evidence of John's existence, no birth record, no ssn, noone who has ever seen John, except for Sally's assertions, then the court is not going to let be entered as evidence of John's culpability.


Asgara
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