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Yaro
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Message 192 of 213 (78432)
01-14-2004 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by P e t e r
01-14-2004 12:51 PM


Well, Im not sure if I'm getting you, but let me present it as I understand it:
1)The isrealites sack the city, and capture all the women and chilldren.
Num 31:9 And the children of Israel took [all] the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
2) The isrealite soldiers come back with their loot and present it before moses and Eleazar.
Num 31:12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which [are] by Jordan [near] Jericho.
3) The preists come out and they get angry.
Num 31:13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
Num 31:14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, [with] the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
4)Moses says why the heck did you save ALL the women and children? These folks made god give us a plague?
Num 31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
Num 31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
4)So Moses says, kill all the non-virgins and children. But you can keep the virgins for yourselves.
Num 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Num 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
That's pretty bad stuff. They kept the women and chilldren alive. I mean isn't that an old code of warfare? Spare the women and children? Perhapse the isrealits were showing some mercy.
But no, Moses says "Just the virgins, fellas", and you can "keep them for yourselves!" wooo hooo!!
Ahem.... ya...
So you see were Im comin from now? Why the virgins? Why are they not as evil? Heck, why are the babys not as evil?
[This message has been edited by Yaro, 01-14-2004]

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Yaro
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Message 196 of 213 (78643)
01-15-2004 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 195 by P e t e r
01-15-2004 10:24 AM


Perhaps some of the soldiers were looking for wives.
It still dosn't detract from the horror of it. These women were forced to marry the very people who have just killd their parents, brothers, sisters, friends, etc.
Who cares what the soldiers are looking for. It is still rape if someone is expected to serve as a wife to someone she is not willingly married to.
Didn't you notice how your last quote never mentions the womans feelings about the whole thing?
It says if you see a pretty girl and you take her to be your wife.... etc. etc.
Not to mention the fact that back in those days, takeing someone to be your wife simply ment you had sex with her.

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Yaro
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Message 198 of 213 (78659)
01-15-2004 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by P e t e r
01-15-2004 11:47 AM


Well, your right, I did put it a bit trivialy. But even the laws you point out do illustrate the fact that marrige and sex were very close back in the OT.
I mean, if you sleped with someone, you were considered married to her no ifs, ands, or buts.
Reason virginity was so prized back in those days was because it was the only way to ensure it was your child. Remember, there was no DNA tests or Sonograms etc. So there was no way of making sure your baby was yours unless you were the only one.
So the knife cut both ways, you sleep with a girl, your stuck with her. etc.

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Yaro
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Joined: 07-12-2003


Message 200 of 213 (78661)
01-15-2004 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Brian
01-15-2004 12:25 PM


My bad,
Thanks for the correction Brian.

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