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Author Topic:   Introduction to the Federalists Party - Kuresu
Damouse
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Message 26 of 35 (355781)
10-10-2006 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by kuresu
10-10-2006 10:54 PM


Re: Introduction to the Christian Democratic Party--Foreign Policy
I hate quoting, as it makes some readers simply skim over what was written, so ill directly comment on Kuresu's last post, and the comumn in general.

Well now... the first part in th OP says maaaany things. Among those things that are written, you say what you hope to acheive. This is admirable, as if one has no goal, they have no solution; case in point, politicians are flawed and the nation in debt. But at this point you stop. At this point this column becomes idealistic, and no longer a battle plan. You have not listed HOW these politicians will be specially selected to root out the bad ones. You have not described how you will take a behometh of the largest centralized government in the Western World and make it shrink. You have touched on it, but your plan does not provide for every problem, it only deals with what we generally want to do.

Was it Montesquieu? Spencer? "To hold the beast at bay you must pit it against itself" Im not sure who wrote it anymore, or if thats the exact quote even, but that was the general idea behind our trifecta of checks and balances, and it works rather well in the grand scheme of things.

As to the second post, there are some historical problems. you say that America came out of the second world war on top, and thats generally true. But im forced to argue when you say that this power was latent before that. When the Great Depression set in, our economy crashed, and we recovered at the begining of the second world war. Herein lies a problem: how could there have been a second world war if everyone(including the germans) were economically defunct? Hmm...

You say that the US is no longer the leading military force. According to the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, we currently have 10000 functional nuclear weapons, and have produced 60000 in the years since the end of the second world war. The closest leader is Russia, with 5000 functional. Id definatly say we're still a big player.

You also vouch for global unity. Who is the driving force in all UN movements? the UN decided to move into IRAQ, we led the way. the UN is still keeping the peace in the korean DMZ, who has most if not all of the soldiers still serving there? Id say we're a player in the global community too, if even a little too much. We've been going on a lot of vacations in the middle east in the past decade or so....

I dont mean to disprove or prove your point(s), but some of the things you say are either not clear or the line of logic is lost. Perhaps a clearer outline-ish form where all of the goals are stated and how to acheive them? Otherwise, its a good plan/party(?). Its time to start making some changes. WWGD- What Would G.Washington Do?


-I believe in God, I just call it Nature
-One man with an imaginary friend is insane. a Million men with an imaginary friend is a religion.
-People must often be reminded that the bible did not arrive as a fax from heaven; it was written by men.
-Religion is the opiate of the masses

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Damouse
Member (Idle past 3924 days)
Posts: 215
From: Brookfield, Wisconsin
Joined: 12-18-2005


Message 27 of 35 (355782)
10-11-2006 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by kuresu
10-10-2006 10:54 PM


Re: Introduction to the Christian Democratic Party--Foreign Policy
Ok, i posted and then re-read my thread, then happened to glance over the title. the Christian Democratic party?!? WHAT?!?

There are multiple possibilities:
1- you misspelled it
2- you meant something completly different
3- you honestly changed the name of your party for the american government to the Christian democratic party.

In the case of one or two, please change it, its kinda scary. In the case of 3, i regret to inform you that im inclined to call you all sorts of questionable names. Please tell me its a mistake....
Ill wait till you respond before flying off the handle....

but a bit for now, bit for later. what are you talking about?! that would violate the roots of the foundations of this country! the Puritans came over for RELIGIOUS freedom, and it REALLY doesnt bode well when you call the party the Christian party, and exclude the other religions. if thats what your plan is, then i must respectfully ask you to eat your foot. Not to mention the gross infringement between church and state, which should be obvious.


-I believe in God, I just call it Nature
-One man with an imaginary friend is insane. a Million men with an imaginary friend is a religion.
-People must often be reminded that the bible did not arrive as a fax from heaven; it was written by men.
-Religion is the opiate of the masses

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Damouse
Member (Idle past 3924 days)
Posts: 215
From: Brookfield, Wisconsin
Joined: 12-18-2005


Message 30 of 35 (355790)
10-11-2006 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by kuresu
10-11-2006 12:08 AM


Re: Introduction to the Christian Democratic Party--Foreign Policy
quote:
the german economy was being rebuilt by building up hitler's war machine, as well as the re-evaluation of the german mark. we were quite defunct economically until we built up our war machine to fight off Hitler and the japs.

Yes but their economy was not shot because ours was, it was messed up because of the first world war.

Mutual destruction does not assure anything... If that were true noone would care that north korea has nukes.

My old history used to say "In 1980 the largest air force in the world was the USAF. The second largest air force in the world was the US Marines." What does this mean? China probobly has a larger army then we do, but whos more prepared? who has billions spent in each division of the military, who has physical and projected military presance in almost every corner of the world, on land and sea? We still do. Big money talks more then lots of people with small guns. We are spread thin throughout the world, but we have the ability to spread ourselves such. No, id say that any country is hard-pressed to match the States in a Raw display of force.

Edited by Damouse, : spelling


-I believe in God, I just call it Nature
-One man with an imaginary friend is insane. a Million men with an imaginary friend is a religion.
-People must often be reminded that the bible did not arrive as a fax from heaven; it was written by men.
-Religion is the opiate of the masses

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Damouse
Member (Idle past 3924 days)
Posts: 215
From: Brookfield, Wisconsin
Joined: 12-18-2005


Message 31 of 35 (355792)
10-11-2006 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by kuresu
10-11-2006 12:16 AM


Re: Introduction to the Christian Democratic Party--Foreign Policy
Grr. lol fine so you called my puritan bluff. (btw, ever read the Scarlet Letter?)

Aright, wikipedia agrees with you, i concede the point. I still think its a terrible idea and violates a lot of things that are set down if not in law then at least in tradition: you dont play around with religion and politics, the two dont slide well together. Evan as is, what are you insinuating with the party name, that only christians can be apart? thats pretty messed up, seeing as america is not all christian, and has no desire to be.
Lets assume your party gets off the ground, and becomes the majority. What next, the Catholic-Christian Democratic party? All sorts of sub-sections within one party?

i dont know, it sounds too exclusive, and very intolerant. For-us-by-us-you-keep-your-mouth-shut-and-let-the-adults-talk kinda thing.


-I believe in God, I just call it Nature
-One man with an imaginary friend is insane. a Million men with an imaginary friend is a religion.
-People must often be reminded that the bible did not arrive as a fax from heaven; it was written by men.
-Religion is the opiate of the masses

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Damouse
Member (Idle past 3924 days)
Posts: 215
From: Brookfield, Wisconsin
Joined: 12-18-2005


Message 34 of 35 (355883)
10-11-2006 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by kuresu
10-11-2006 12:31 AM


Re: Introduction to the Christian Democratic Party--Foreign Policy
lol of course its misspelled. If you go back and look at that post youll see that i changed it.

Ill edit this post later for facts and a counter-argument, i was just checking the forums for replies.


-I believe in God, I just call it Nature
-One man with an imaginary friend is insane. a Million men with an imaginary friend is a religion.
-People must often be reminded that the bible did not arrive as a fax from heaven; it was written by men.
-Religion is the opiate of the masses

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