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kuresu
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Message 73 of 307 (344747)
08-29-2006 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by jar
08-29-2006 12:12 PM


Re: Better here than philadelphia
I can definatley see the humor in that.
jeez, and I always thought the bible was so serious.

I don't no who could say "Be of good cheer, it is I" without at least a little bit of a chuckle.

I mean, it's like the dad entering the room full of scared shitless kids, and the dad knows there's nothing to be afraid of, so he'll laugh a little ad say it's just me walking in.

I rather like your interpretation of christianity, Jar.


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kuresu
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Message 177 of 307 (345272)
08-30-2006 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Faith
08-30-2006 9:58 PM


was hitler deluded?
how many people followed hitler?
how many people still agree with hitler?

one need not be sane to have followers.
one can be insane and even have multitudes of followers.
surely you do not suggest that mohammed was sane? (knowing your opinion of muslims)(okay, that's almost, if not, a cheap shot at them, so just note--I don't have a problem with the religion, just some certain people in charge of a few certain countries)


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kuresu
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Message 181 of 307 (345297)
08-30-2006 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by robinrohan
08-30-2006 11:28 PM


explain the american nazis.

you're right, a better person would be Stalin or Mao.
still, people will follow other people, and those leaders may or may not be crazy.

so to say that the reason that jesus is followed by so many was because he was sane is a touch presumptous. He may have been infact sane. But you know, even Lincoln had his mental problems--disease begins with an m, can't remember, oh, duh--marfan's syndrome (how it sounds, spelling is wrong).
and many people followed lincoln and today still think he was a good leader.

point put shortly--people follow crazies as much as they do sanies.


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kuresu
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Message 188 of 307 (345308)
08-31-2006 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by robinrohan
08-30-2006 11:50 PM


yeah, and there not too far off from the KKK. even if just, say, one percent of america is a nazi that makes 3,000,000 people.

and that many 60 years after hitler.
and I don't think america is home to the only nazi's in the world.

how many people were christians after christ died? how long until it hit the one percent mark of the population of the roman empire.

christianity was a fringe religion--just like nazism is a fringe philosophy (or position?). One follows a supposedly sane, dead, person. the other a supposedly insane, dead, person.

again, sanity is no defining principle of believing in people.


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Message 190 of 307 (345310)
08-31-2006 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Archer Opteryx
08-31-2006 12:00 AM


Re: Faith argues 'apparent sanity' of some Christians
exactly why I brought up mohammed--the founder if Islam.
apparently he has to be sane and logical for a good chunk of the world's people to believe in the religion, right?

also why I brought up Hitler.


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kuresu
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Message 197 of 307 (345320)
08-31-2006 12:45 AM
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08-31-2006 12:11 AM


Re: Faith argues 'apparent sanity' of some Christians
???????????

I don't get what this has to do with the in(sanity) of those who people follow.


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Message 201 of 307 (345331)
08-31-2006 1:40 AM
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08-31-2006 12:57 AM


so true christianity is about fire and brimstone, death and destruction, despair and failure?

what the hell kind of religion is that?
talk about the biggest cop out there is--sin ain't my fault, it's the Fall. And who cares, God'll forgive.

you know, it really sounds like some pagan religions--almost vikingesque.

Interesting note about Jonathan Edwards--he read he most famous sermon with a straight face and completely monotone. and it still scared the hell out of people.

But who uses fear to convert? It doesn't lend itself towards stability or continud belief.


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kuresu
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Message 204 of 307 (345337)
08-31-2006 2:21 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by Faith
08-31-2006 2:07 AM


And since I don't belief a fall happened, since I don't believe that we're a lost cause without christ (and apparently there are many religions that agree with me as to the latter), what need do I have of someone to get me out of a situation I'm nt in.

Christ is about as worthwhile as a detective at a scene in which no crime happened.

He teaches some good stuff, but he's not needed to find the way out of this nonexistant failure that mankind is in.

their truth is different from my truth, just as yours is different from jars. and that's why I hate those people who try to tell me that I'm damned for all eternity if I don't convert and belief in Christ.

I'm not damned. I don't think there's an afterlife.


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kuresu
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Message 267 of 307 (345818)
09-01-2006 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Faith
09-01-2006 5:54 PM


Re: a world of possibilities
but the whole Bible is Christian nevertheless and the New Testament is certainly Jewish.

what???

If anything, I would think that the New Testament would definetly be christian, seeing as how the OT has a bunch of the books also in the Torah.

And the Torah is missing the whole of the NT. which would suggest that the NT is definelty not jewish.


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kuresu
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Message 270 of 307 (345856)
09-01-2006 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Faith
09-01-2006 8:55 PM


Re: a world of possibilities
then why did christianity break from the jewish fold?
If they accepted Christ as the Way, doesn't that make them by necessity Christian? Which eventually broke them from the jewish tradition?

Which makes the NT christian, not jewish.

unless you somehow think the christianity is sect of judiasm?


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kuresu
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Message 274 of 307 (345907)
09-01-2006 11:34 PM
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09-01-2006 11:27 PM


Re: a world of possibilities
I'd say that protestantism and roman catholicism are much closer to each other than christianity is to judaism.

romans considered them a sect of judaism, yes. Do you?

If so, how do you feel being the son of an inept father?
inept--your view that they screw up in not recognizing jesus as the messiah

wouldn't you want to distance yourself from such a figure?

but apparently by your definition of christian, well, you're still following a jew. if this is the standard definition, how do you feel about the history of blaming other jews for the death of this jew you follow?

I still think the NT is christian. even by your definition--followers of the jewish messiah, it was written by those, which makes it technically "christian". not jewish.


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kuresu
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Message 277 of 307 (345935)
09-02-2006 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Faith
09-02-2006 1:13 AM


Re: a world of possibilities
which technically makes them christian--your definition
christian--those who follow the jewish messiah Jesus

hence, your "fathers" who followed christ were christians--jews followed either judaism or chritianity, as you claim.

saying the NT is jewish then would leave it open to being either that of the christians or that of the pharisees.

But the NT is not of the pharisees, it is of the christians.
again, the NT is christian.

(really funny--you were admonishing Archer for using Yeshua (he wanted to be more accurate) because the translation remaings accurate. here, I am being accurate, and you are again admonishing it. is there something you have against accuracy?;))


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kuresu
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Message 279 of 307 (345938)
09-02-2006 1:35 AM
Reply to: Message 278 by Faith
09-02-2006 1:32 AM


Re: a world of possibilities
no. it's not really that important. just a tiny nitpick I was wondering about--initially thinking you had mistyped, and meant to say that the OT (not the off-topic:D) was jewish. and then considered the possibilty you had meant to say that, asking questions why.

so no, no new thread's needed for this.


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Message 299 of 307 (346581)
09-05-2006 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 297 by robinrohan
09-04-2006 7:21 PM


Re: Questions
I don't really see what the Fall has to do with christianity specifically.

Isn't it also part of the jewish tradition? after all, adam is their forefather, as is noah. adam and eve commited original sin, noah survived (the fall?).

So saying that Jar's not a christian (or whatever) because he doesn't accept that the fall occured is really pointless.

I thought the key part about christianity was accepting Jesus as your savior--not believing in a fall.


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