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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It is why we need a Savior.
No, they don't believe in the Fall.
Adam is the father of the entire human race, not just the Jews. Noah is considered by the Jews to be something along the lines of the Moses of the Gentiles, as they say all nonJews are to follow the code of Law God gave Noah, whereas the Jews are to follow the Law of Moses. Abraham is the father of the Jews.
Original sin, Adam and Eve's disobedience of God, IS the Fall. Noah survived the worldwide Flood, which was God's punishment for all the sin that had accumulated in the world to that point because of the Fall.
Robin is making the point that most of Christianity, and particularly the Christian writers he mentioned, all treat the Fall as important, so jar's brand of Christianity is something else.
True, but it is good to learn WHY one needs a savior, and that is because of the sin that entered the world with the Fall of our first parents. I hope this clears up some confusion.
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Phat Member Posts: 15105 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
An interesting belief. Heaven does sound sort of juvenile, if a Creator needs a bunch of people praising Him and worshiping Him eternally. I cant take that as literal, (and yes, Iano and jaywill..I DID get saved, if that matters!
The SOURCE versus CONTENT argument makes sense to me. Even if GOD wrote the Bible, the content is more important than the idea that God wrote it.
A note to current EvC members: Robin Rohan died a few years ago. Dont reply to him in this thread. It makes me think, though. I could die tomorrow. What would my life be remembered for? Would it matter? Would I be happy, sad, or simply non-existent?
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jar Member Posts: 33258 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
No, we do not start off saved, we do not start off damned either. If there is salvation, then the salvation is a free gift, not something earned.
They do not square with ANY scientific evidence.
But we are charged and I believe will be judged based on whether or not we tried to stop injustices, make reparations and restitution. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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tesla Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
I wish more people had a mind to view things as objectively as you have in that post.
I claim to be a Christian because I go to church. I go to church because it helps me be a better person. I receive a lot of heat for not following the status quo ( Christian or otherwise) But when I look at myself in the mirror I get comfort out of believing I do not lie to myself. Edited by tesla, : No reason given. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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Phat Member Posts: 15105 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
In a recent topic started by our self proclaimed Gnostic Christian, Greatest I AM--he challenges us to describe Jesus and our views of Him.
This old topic by jar gives jars response--(I figured I was better off quoting jar directly rather than attempting to paraphrase which I always seem to get wrong!
My "Club" has always maintained that Jesus essentially stepped out of eternity (As He Was In The Beginning) into time in order to be a solution to the problem of Original Sin. The way I see it, God created a free willed lucifer who chose to become satan. When God created good and evil, God essentially created only the possibility of evil---which had to be initially actualized--through choice---by Lucifer. Most "Clubs" stick with the story that Jesus is fully GOD and fully human. I see Jesus as with GOD in the beginning....GOD as human, in other words. God created war so that Americans would learn geography. –Mark Twain "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain
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jar Member Posts: 33258 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Why are you posting material in a thread that has already been placed in summation mode only to take one piece of what I wrote in this thread out of context?
Sheesh. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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