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deerbreh
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Message 175 of 300 (327158)
06-28-2006 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by Brian
06-27-2006 1:59 PM


Re: Valid christian teaching?
But these people still BELIEVED that they were following Christ, they just didn;t do it properly. There is no mention here that EVERYONE who is nice to others are the ones to be saved?

No but it sure sounds like being nice to others is important.

Matthew 25:31-46 writes:


The Sheep and the Goats

31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."


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deerbreh
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Message 176 of 300 (327161)
06-28-2006 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by Brian
06-28-2006 11:21 AM


Re: Valid christian teaching?
It is a nice cosy wee faith that is being described, but it isn't Christianity.

It is the height of arrogance for one who isn't willing to practice a religion to tell others how they are doing it wrong. You have created a cartoon Christianity in your mind and decided no one is living up to it.


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deerbreh
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Message 180 of 300 (327167)
06-28-2006 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Faith
06-28-2006 11:29 AM


Re: Valid christian teaching?
I agree completely with your assessment of the liberal Christians. I continue to be astonished at my agreement with you. Please, carry on.

Et tu Brute?


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deerbreh
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Message 183 of 300 (327175)
06-28-2006 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by iano
06-28-2006 12:08 PM


Re: Valid christian teaching?
I have wondered frequently about whether this passage describes good deeds as being the cause of the sheep being deemed sheep or whether the good works were a consequence of them being sheep.

I think it is both. Jesus says "follow me." If you are one of his sheep you will be willing to obey. But the fact that you are following him is also an indicater that you are one of his sheep.

on edit: Another way of saying this is that God looks on the heart. Your heart may be in the right place even though you may not be able to articulate the "correct" belief that some Christians (and Brian) might think is necessary.

Edited by deerbreh, : additional comment.


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deerbreh
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Message 185 of 300 (327177)
06-28-2006 12:32 PM
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06-28-2006 12:29 PM


Re: Valid christian teaching?
What about the sheep who don't follow the shepherd but who wander off and get themselves entangled in briars. The ones who the shepherd doesn't desert?

What about them? You answered your own question. Jesus goes and gets them.

Edited by AdminJar, : fix code


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deerbreh
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Message 275 of 300 (328137)
07-01-2006 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by iano
06-28-2006 12:35 PM


Re: Valid christian teaching?
So following is not central to salvation?

Following is what we are commanded to do. We forget sometimes and stray. That is where grace comes in.


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deerbreh
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Message 276 of 300 (328140)
07-01-2006 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Faith
06-28-2006 12:41 PM


Re: Valid christian teaching?
deer writes:

Et tu Brute?

Faith writes:

???

From "Julius Caeser" (Shakespeare) Often quoted, the meaning should be clear.


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deerbreh
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Message 277 of 300 (328146)
07-01-2006 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Brian
06-29-2006 3:36 AM


Re: Valid christian teaching?
So, sure being nice ot each other is important, but it is not the only requirement.

Huh, isn't that pretty much what I said? I said, No, {being nice was not the only requirement}, but then went on to say {in the "but" part) that it is important, based on Matther 25. You chose to ignore the "NO" that started the sentence. Please pay attention.

My exact quote:

No but it sure sounds like being nice to others is important.

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deerbreh
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Message 278 of 300 (328151)
07-01-2006 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Brian
06-29-2006 6:03 AM


Re: Valid christian teaching?
Try reading the Bible as a whole, the Old and New testaments, and then have a rethink about the claptrap you are hoping is true.

More arrogance. But of course everyone thinks they do that already. The fact that what I think it says does not agree with what you think it says does not mean that you are reading as a whole and I am not. It means we have different criteria for interpretation. I don't see the Bible as a set of propositional truths. I see it as a series of stories that reveal truth. There is a difference. It is a different philosophy of interpretation. It happens.


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