Belief Statement - jar

One is truly fooling oneself in that instance. And they know it.Did someone actually say 3?! 1 and 2 are easy. But not 3. Never. Not possible. It couldn't be. That's some made up lie like your "I went to a really fantastic college where everyone was made of aluminium" assertion thingy

Well I never....I see no * attached. Love would not reveal the source however much hate would want to revel. Check that out and see for yourselfEdited by iano, : No reason given.

Thats not love. Thats a lie. You at least, know this

I AM

...lest one should think that on becoming a Christian, one's oneness simply disappears. The essential difference is that one wishes it were only so. Call it a paradigm shift.

Yeah..sounds kind of "The Tibeten book of Living and Dying" - or some such like doesn't it.More like: still able to make all decisions one wants (just like in virtual world) but having a reason from another not to make them a certain way. With the nudge always being something you can ignore - but wishing you didn't.Think of it as your mother telling you to "brush your teeth" then when they start falling out of your head, realising she was making sense.

When was there a time in which there was no external guidance. In your opinion?

I just got a smile out of imagining each and every one of our "internal guidance systems" being tied to a piece of cable, the other end of which gets rawl-bolted into the earths surface. Then all left to "trust our guidance systems"."All you ever wanted to know about the Earths core but were afraid to ask"

He has clearly overtaken Robin as the best unbelieving evangelist at EvC.

There are a few Christians around here who think Brian representation is anything but cartoonish

I have wondered frequently about whether this passage describes good deeds as being the cause of the sheep being deemed sheep or whether the good works were a consequence of them being sheep. It is not clear which it is. If the latter then the good works follow as a result of sheephood. In which case 'important' is not the right term to apply to the deeds. What is important is can you say "Baaa..."Edited by iano, : No reason given.

What about the sheep who don't follow the shepherd but who wander off and get themselves entangled in briars. The ones who the shepherd doesn't desert?

So following is not central to salvation?

It must be a real head-wrecker to go around doing the prescribed good things whilst all the while remaining unknowing that one is doing the prescribed good things in order that one can be surprised that one did the prescribed good things come the day of the sheep and goats.

Thats all very well for the person who doesn't know that the good things they do happen to be the prescribed things that will result in their heading into the kingdom. The trouble arises when one knows what the good things are which will result in kingdom entry. And in knowing what they are, somehow forgetting what they are so as to be a surprised sheep on that day. Jar cannot be surprised and cannot thus - according to his own theology - be a sheep.Neither is he doing anyone any favors by telling them his gospelEdited by iano, : No reason given.