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Author Topic:   Self-Replicating Molecules - Life's Building Blocks (Part II)
Tangle
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Message 66 of 97 (743913)
12-05-2014 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by New Cat's Eye
12-05-2014 9:36 AM


Re: News to Chiral you up
Cat Sci writes:

Think about it the other way: What if we could not come up with an explanation that works that didn't require a god?

Wouldn't you take that as a indication that a god may be necessary?

That is, of course, what got us into this mess in the first place.


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 80 of 97 (811791)
06-12-2017 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by CRR
06-12-2017 7:20 AM


Who was it here that said we know how life started? Anyone?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 82 of 97 (811828)
06-12-2017 12:35 PM
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06-12-2017 12:12 PM


He's also a chemist not a biologist.

It would be more useful if they could unearth an eminent, atheistic biologist to quote from.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 92 of 97 (816263)
08-02-2017 3:05 AM
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08-01-2017 8:16 PM


Re: Diversification of self-replicating molecules
CRR writes:

There's a difference between cannot happen in nature and do not happen in nature

Science is looking for how life started on earth. One of the steps it can resonably take is to see if they can create it using any method at all. That woud show that life can be started using the building blocks to be found in our natural world.

The next step would be to show how life started using the conditions found on earth at the time we believe it did start. Creating the conditions to match a natural system producing simple replicating molecules is not being an intelligent designer of life.

And it's as far as it could be from being a designer of elephants, roses and people.

Of course, finding that it is possible for life to develop spontaneously from the chemistry pre-existing on our planet does not answer the question of where that chemistry came from in the first place, but it does push the problem even further back. And 'big' physics is beginning to develop some interesting ideas of how such stuff occurs.

Your mythology is no longer useful.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 94 of 97 (816267)
08-02-2017 4:33 AM
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08-02-2017 4:02 AM


Re: Diversification of self-replicating molecules
CRR writes:

Since abiogenesis has never been observed in nature or in the lab it remains mythical.

No, it remains an hypothesis. Do you understand the difference?

Dredge dodged this question, maybe you'll do better. Would anything change in your beliefs if/when science creates a self-replicating life-form?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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