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cavediver
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Message 101 of 312 (475080)
07-13-2008 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by AlphaOmegakid
06-25-2008 8:17 AM


Game, Set and Match?
Why is the law of biogenesis which states that "all life comes from preexisting living matter" not taught in any modern textbook today?

Probably because many do not believe it to be true. You do understand what is meant by "law" in a scienitic context, don't you? It is an observation that appears to hold in a wide variety of situations, although not necessarily with any theoretical back-up as to why the "law" should hold. This makes "laws" potentially very weak in scientific standing. Just becasue we have never observed something to happen has no bearing on whether such a thing is possible or impossible - we may just not have yet encountered the conditions udner which the thing happens or does not happen. Examples: Newton's Laws of Motion (broken in both relativistic and quantum domains), Newton's Law of Gravity (broken in both relativistic and qunatum domains), the Laws of Thermodynamics (trivially do not apply on sufficiently small scales). The Law of Biogenesis has been observed to occur only on a planet already replete with existing life. It has only been observed over extremely small time scales compared with the age of the planet. And it has no universal theoretical underpinning, no mechanism. What then is the importance of the Law of Biogenesis on abiogenetic studies of the early Earth? Clearly, no importance whatsoever.

Try this video -

Please state where you believe that the Law of Biogenesis would prevent the mechanisms suggested in this video from occuring.


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cavediver
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Message 105 of 312 (476175)
07-21-2008 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by AlphaOmegakid
07-21-2008 5:06 PM


Re: You are not even in the game.
I'm sorry, I specifically requested you point out where the Law of Biogenesis would prevent the mechanisms portrayed in the video from occurring. However, I do fully understand if you are not capable of addressing this subject at that level.

Because it uses imaginary mystical life forms.

There was nothing in the slightest bit mystical in the video - it was remarkable in its almost trivial simplicity - but I can understand how someone with your outlook would view it as mystical.

I will try once more - where would the Law of Biogenesis prevent the mechanisms portrayed in the video from occurring?


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cavediver
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Message 182 of 312 (477259)
07-31-2008 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by AlphaOmegakid
07-30-2008 1:59 PM


Re: The only reasonable natural explanation!
You ignored my last post here (msg 105) so I will try again:

cavediver writes:

I'm sorry, I specifically requested you point out where the Law of Biogenesis would prevent the mechanisms portrayed in the video from occurring. However, I do fully understand if you are not capable of addressing this subject at that level.

AOK writes:

Because it uses imaginary mystical life forms.

There was nothing in the slightest bit mystical in the video - it was remarkable in its almost trivial simplicity - but I can understand how someone with your outlook would view it as mystical.

I will try once more - where would the Law of Biogenesis prevent the mechanisms portrayed in the video from occurring?


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cavediver
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Message 222 of 312 (477638)
08-05-2008 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by AlphaOmegakid
08-05-2008 1:34 PM


Re: Another nice example
Hey, any chance of a reply to the following? This is your second reminder.

cavediver writes:

You ignored my last post here (msg 105) so I will try again:

cavediver writes:


I'm sorry, I specifically requested you point out where the Law of Biogenesis would prevent the mechanisms portrayed in the video from occurring. However, I do fully understand if you are not capable of addressing this subject at that level.

AOK writes:

Because it uses imaginary mystical life forms.

There was nothing in the slightest bit mystical in the video - it was remarkable in its almost trivial simplicity - but I can understand how someone with your outlook would view it as mystical.

I will try once more - where would the Law of Biogenesis prevent the mechanisms portrayed in the video from occurring?


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