Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 81 (9005 total)
27 online now:
PaulK, Tangle (2 members, 25 visitors)
Newest Member: kanthesh
Post Volume: Total: 881,189 Year: 12,937/23,288 Month: 662/1,527 Week: 101/240 Day: 0/29 Hour: 0/0

Announcements: Topic abandonment warning (read and/or suffer the consequences)


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Biogenesis
Coragyps
Member
Posts: 5546
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002
Member Rating: 3.0


Message 116 of 312 (476911)
07-28-2008 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by AlphaOmegakid
07-28-2008 1:45 PM


Re: CITATIONS for the Catholic Scientist
Science 9 February 1951 113: 137-142

Do you really think science has not progressed since I was 3 1/2 years old, AOK? Really?


"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

This message is a reply to:
 Message 115 by AlphaOmegakid, posted 07-28-2008 1:45 PM AlphaOmegakid has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 118 by AlphaOmegakid, posted 07-28-2008 4:46 PM Coragyps has responded

Coragyps
Member
Posts: 5546
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002
Member Rating: 3.0


Message 121 of 312 (476932)
07-28-2008 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by AlphaOmegakid
07-28-2008 4:46 PM


Re: CITATIONS for the Catholic Scientist
That there has been some limitation to the LoB in the last 50 years?

The freakin' Miller-Urey experiment hadn't even been run in 1951!! We didn't know that carbonyl sulfide catalyzed the polymerization of amino acids until maybe three years ago! There have been many hundreds of papers published since I entered kindergarten that show all sorts of pathways to abiogenesis.

And Pasteur is still dead.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 118 by AlphaOmegakid, posted 07-28-2008 4:46 PM AlphaOmegakid has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 122 by AlphaOmegakid, posted 07-28-2008 6:17 PM Coragyps has responded

Coragyps
Member
Posts: 5546
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002
Member Rating: 3.0


Message 124 of 312 (476940)
07-28-2008 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by AlphaOmegakid
07-28-2008 6:17 PM


Re: CITATIONS for the Catholic Scientist
What we actually observe is that there is more than chemical reactions to have life.

Where has that been "actually observed," AOK? I don't think you can tell me - because that hasn't been observed.


"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

This message is a reply to:
 Message 122 by AlphaOmegakid, posted 07-28-2008 6:17 PM AlphaOmegakid has not yet responded

Coragyps
Member
Posts: 5546
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002
Member Rating: 3.0


Message 129 of 312 (476951)
07-28-2008 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Fosdick
07-28-2008 8:27 PM


Re: More than chemical reactions
A DNA molecule is still a DNA molecule, even if its nucleotides are rearranged.

Well, yes and no. DNA is a junkbasket name for a roughly infinite family of polymers of nucleotides. Each individual DNA strand can be named as its own unique molecule, just as each protein can be named either by a trivial name like "hemoglobin" or a very specific name like "glycilphenylalanylserylglutamylalanylalanyl....................................lysine. With DNA you normally see letters - A, G, C, and T - because it takes less ink.

A car is still a car, but a Yugo and a Maserati don't share all their functions.

Edited by Coragyps, : typo


This message is a reply to:
 Message 128 by Fosdick, posted 07-28-2008 8:27 PM Fosdick has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 132 by Fosdick, posted 07-29-2008 10:51 AM Coragyps has not yet responded

Coragyps
Member
Posts: 5546
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002
Member Rating: 3.0


Message 186 of 312 (477264)
07-31-2008 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by AlphaOmegakid
07-31-2008 4:44 PM


Re: Everyone's right but AlphaOmegakid!
M-U produced a racemic mixture of amino acids and carcinogenic tar.

...my emphasis.

Got a cite, AOK? Do you poison a lot of wells?


"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

This message is a reply to:
 Message 183 by AlphaOmegakid, posted 07-31-2008 4:44 PM AlphaOmegakid has not yet responded

Coragyps
Member
Posts: 5546
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002
Member Rating: 3.0


Message 223 of 312 (477639)
08-05-2008 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by AlphaOmegakid
08-05-2008 1:34 PM


Re: Another nice example
All viruses are agents of death.

Like all carnivores and insectivores? Doesn't that make, say, a tiger shark something that's not alive?

Who gives a shit if many viruses kill cells? It's another way to make a living that isn't autotrophy.


"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

This message is a reply to:
 Message 220 by AlphaOmegakid, posted 08-05-2008 1:34 PM AlphaOmegakid has not yet responded

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2018 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.0 Beta
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2020