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bluescat48
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Message 26 of 312 (473079)
06-26-2008 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by AlphaOmegakid
06-26-2008 4:46 PM


Spontaneous Generation = Abiogenesis/NOT
That's a nice try, but again a strawman. I have said nothing about spontaneous generation. But since you brought it up, I will. Abiogenesis is the theory that life can come from non-living chemicals. Spontaneous generation is the observation(s) that supported that theory. You don't falsify observations. You falsify theories. Abiogenesis was falsified.

No it hasn't Spontaneous generation and abiogenesis are two differnt things. As was brought out in another answer, SG is life coming from something that was living ie rotting flesh. AbiG is life coming from the polimerisation and chemical bonding of simple substances ie Amino acids, purines, pyrimidenes, pentoses and phosphates. SG was falsified AbioG hasnot as yet been falsified.


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Message 76 of 312 (473313)
06-28-2008 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by randman
06-27-2008 7:03 PM


Re: But there is a prediction...
Ok, so let's test abiogenesis. It's someting "most likely happening"?, or "will happen" and "in so happeniong will affect some changes in the world"?

I don't see it doing any of those things. In fact, it doesn't seem rational at all. If abioogenesis occurs, why would it occur only once?

Who says it occured only once? It would be unlikely to occur, at any appreciable level do to the changes that have occured in the earth in the last 3.8 billion years.

1. Change in the Atmosphere - too much oxygen.
2. any formed nutrients, amino acids, purines, pyrimidines etc. would be "swallowed" by viruses, bacteria etc.
3. The ozone layer limiting the ultraviolet rays which act as the energy source to the formation of the nutrients.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969


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Message 104 of 312 (476174)
07-21-2008 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by AlphaOmegakid
07-21-2008 5:06 PM


Re: You are not even in the game.
I did. Did you? I laughed about 3/4's of the way through. At the beginning the author makes an emphatic statement that "abiogenesis has absolutely nothing to do with evolution". They are two separate theories. Then he developes a new definition of life. And then he invokes evolution and natural selection.

Maybe if you looked at the video as a science piece and not a comedy, you may have understood that evolution only occured after the vesicle was capable of reproduction thus alive.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

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bluescat48
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Message 189 of 312 (477280)
07-31-2008 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Rahvin
07-30-2008 12:55 PM


Re: Everyone's right but AlphaOmegakid!
I don't see why alphaomegakid can find fallacies in your post 167 (Message 167).
Everything that you state conforms to science.

Edited by AdminNosy, : added link to post 167


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Message 288 of 312 (478521)
08-16-2008 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by AlphaOmegakid
08-16-2008 3:26 PM


Re: Fallacious Idiot
AlphaOmegaKid says
Abiogenesis is falsified.

How can it be falsified. There is no theory of abiogenesis. It is still a hypothesis, in fact several.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969


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bluescat48
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Message 311 of 312 (478717)
08-19-2008 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by AlphaOmegakid
08-19-2008 12:55 PM


Re: Fallacious Idiot
Abiogenesis was falsified as a hypothesis.

How & when & not as spontaneous generation, but as abiogenesis


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