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Fosdick 
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Message 213 of 312 (477618)
08-05-2008 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by AlphaOmegakid
08-05-2008 11:16 AM


Re: Didn't God make water?
AOkid writes:
To trust in a natural solution for all of these is trust in the supernatural.
That's OK with me. I'm all right with you saying that God created gravity, for example. True, scientists don't know what it "is." They don't even know what the universe "is." So, let's all say that what it "is" is a creation of God. Gravity came from God, and He proclaimed it to behave thus and so. Great!
Now, just what do I do with this profound "knowledge"?
”HM

If you got some quince, Pussycat, I got a runcible spoon.

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Fosdick 
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Message 234 of 312 (477677)
08-06-2008 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by AlphaOmegakid
08-05-2008 12:06 PM


Re: Didn't God make water?
AOkid writes:
I personally believe in the God of the Bible.
Then you must agree that science is a godly act. God created man, and man created science to learn more about the creative grace of God and His wonderful methods. The God of the Bible put men and women on Earth to do exactly that, because He made us "in His own image":
quote:
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
”Genesis 1:27
"In his own image" AOkid. Rejoice in that! (It's a good thing God didn't make spiders in His own image!)
"To deny the goodness of science is to deny the grace of God." ”Fig Newton
”HM

If you got some quince, Pussycat, I got a runcible spoon.

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Fosdick 
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Message 297 of 312 (478669)
08-19-2008 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 296 by AlphaOmegakid
08-19-2008 10:27 AM


Re: In Summation
Hi AOkid,
Another way to summarize this thread is to paraphrase what others”real biologists”have already said about "the law of biogenesis": Wha?
After a career of 40 years as a professional biologist, I have never ever invoked such a "law" to explain anything. Stephan J. Gould, in his 1433 p. treatise on The Structure of Evolutionary Theory (2002), never mentions it once. But he does mention Haeckel's "biogenetic law," which is another term for "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny." Maybe you should start another thread to discuss this one, because your so-called "LoB" is nothing more than a fish painted on the outside of an aquarium.
Here's a law for ya: "The Law of Pre-Model-A Saviorism." It declares that Jesus never drove a Ford. Or do you have any DATA to prove otherwise? And if you did what difference would it make?
”HM

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Message 302 of 312 (478676)
08-19-2008 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by New Cat's Eye
08-19-2008 12:18 PM


Re: In Summation
CS writes:
It was a gradual emergence of life, itself.
CS, I don't want to give AOkid credit for starting an argument between scientists, but we really don't know if abiogenesis was gradual. We know it was not spontaneous”not of the old spontaneous-generation kind”but the raw truth is that we don't know for sure if there was even an RNA world before abiogenesis.
AOkid is taking this to the bank, of course. But his bank has declared a holiday, and his LoB is in foreclosure. Time to move on.
”HM

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