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Message 73 of 173 (516463)
07-25-2009 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by bluescat48
07-24-2009 11:27 PM


Re plants
Hi cat,
Peg this is also for you.
bluescat48 writes:
Peg writes:
but the genesis account does not specify the specific types of plants. It simply presents the order of the major groups as they appeared.
Gen1:11 writes:
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so
It would seem that this would mean plants on land.
It also says that the plants came from the seed which was already upon the earth.
Where did those seed come from?
Could it have been the plants God made in Genesis 2:9 produced the seed that God refered to in Genesis 1:11.
That would solve the problem as the only thing created on earth before those plants was one man.
Yea I know that makes things be out of order. But hey man has been arranging things in the wrong order since the beginning of time.
But to the title of the topic 'A Logical account of creation'.
If things were created by God. I believe they were.
The plants had to be created before they could produce seed.
Therefore the seed in Genesis 1:11 had to come from the plants created in Genesis 2:9.
Because it is not said God created the seed of the plants.
Is that Logical?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 74 of 173 (516466)
07-25-2009 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by lyx2no
07-25-2009 9:03 AM


Re: Heard a Lot of Things
Hi lyx2no,
lyx2no writes:
You asked for a reference on land animals preceding birds. How' does ICR strike you?
"A favorite evolutionary claim these days is that land-dwelling dinosaurs evolved into birds.
What does the Bible say? Birds on Day Five and land animals on Day Six."
John D. Morris, Ph.D.
Who says ICR or Mr Morris is correct in what they believe?
Especially when they disagree with what the Bible says.
Everything was created in the first light period,(as recorded in Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:24) that ended with the evening found in Genesis 1:2 as darkness had come. In verse 5 God declares that evening and the end of that darkness the following morning as the first day.
Then the six days of Moses is described.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 75 of 173 (516467)
07-25-2009 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Peg
07-25-2009 2:14 AM


Re: Stupid question
Hi Peg,
Peg writes:
havnt you heard there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers
cavediver told me the only stupid question is the question that is never asked.
I agree with him.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 81 of 173 (516634)
07-26-2009 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Peg
07-26-2009 8:33 AM


Re plants
Hi Peg,
Peg writes:
i think its logical that God made fully formed plants, with seed production being the means for their duplication, rather then him producing seeds first and scattering them about.
Its like a chicken and egg senario... most logically he created a formed chicken that was capable of laying eggs rather then making eggs that hatched little chickens.
I would agree that God would create full grown plants and trees as they would just appear out of the ground.
There is one huge problem with the standard understanding of Genesis creation for that to happen.
Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
The seed was upon the earth so the seed come first.
But in:
Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
There is no seed involved. God caused the ground to bring forth.
The two can not be talking about the same thing.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 82 of 173 (516646)
07-26-2009 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Blue Jay
07-25-2009 1:37 PM


Re: Plant Kiinds
Hi jay,
Bluejay writes:
If we accept the KJV, then we have grass also created on the third day.
That really depends on what you believe Genesis says about creation.
1. In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth.
2. Man was formed from the dust of the earth.
3. A garden was planted.
4. God placed man in the garden.
5. Out of the ground God made fruit bearing trees and plants to grow.
5. The only water mentioned was a river that flowed from Eden to water the garden which then divided into 4 rivers.
6. Out of the ground God formed every beast of the field and fowl of the air.
7. Then God took a rib from the man and made a woman.
8. In Genesis 2:5 Every plant and herb of the land is mentioned but it is not stated when God brought them from the ground.
I think science confirms that at one time there was no oceans or seas on the planet earth.
I think science confirms that at one time the mountains were covered with water as there are all kind of water critters on top of the mountains as well as in them.
If I am in trouble by my thinking I am sure someone will point it out to me.
Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 2:25 does not have fish or any water creatures created only land and air.
Conclusion a dry earth.
Genesis 1:9 tells me there was no dry land.
Conclusion the earth was covered with water.
Conclusion something happened to cause all the dry land to be covered by water. (But there is no explanation given.)
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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