PROOF against evolution

AdminAsgara,So then it is now okay to address the abiogeneesis issues the he is using? As far as I understand it he is claiming to disprove ToE based on a proof that abiogenesis is not possible unless God does it. That is his claim but he doesn't seem to understand abiogenesis any more than he does ToE, but it seems we need to address his distorted notions about pre cellular self replicating molecules. Or maybe not.sigh,
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"Information = life" I don't understand. I thought when we were talking about life we were talking about bacteria, plants, and animals. You aren't talking about living replicating organisms, complex molecular interactions? "information is created only be information" so you ARE saying it's turtles all the way down. An infinite regress of information creating information and information to create that information and ... ad infinitum.lfen

Atoms and molecules are found naturally in the universe. The theory of abiogenesis is generating experiments that show under what conditions organic molecules arise from simpler compounds. Certain of these molecules can act as templates and replicate themselves. There is still a lot of work to be done. My point is that as of today abiogenesis has neither been proved or disproved.But the properties we see of the cells are chemical properties. Lipids act to form spherical structures in water because of the way the different ends of the lipid molecule are attracted by or repulsed by water molecules.You have not proved anything. You've made an interesting argument that information is needed to build large molecular cells. But you've not proven it and therefore have not disproved the theory of evolution.I understand your objection. And information may yet be found to in some way play an important role in the universe or not. That you are confident in your beliefs does not constitute proof.lfen

Thank you. And the very best life to you also.lfen

mark24 says:

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't

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No there are not. There are only 3 kinds of people; those who can count and those who can't. So there lfen

yxifix,I'm not sure to what degree but I do have some sympathy with the situation you are trying to deal with. My personal approach is not pure science but neither is it traditional supernatural religion. I will use the term trancendent for something that is in addition to the physical universe but not in contradiction to it. The trancendent for me is the most intimate experience we have of being. That we not only are but know we are is a mystery just now being addressed by science. I've no idea if we will discover that consciousness is emergent or not. My tendency is to think it is fundamental to the same or greater degree that matter/energy space/time are fundamental.The phenomena of ego involves a lot of illusion and fantasy of many different kinds. Theory of evolution as stated doesn't necessarily invalidate the notion of a meaningful trancendent aspect of our being.
There are theist who find their religious beliefs can harmonize with ToE. Information may be an interesting way to add a diminsion to the universe. I don't know. But it has not been developed enough that it constitutes proof or disproof, at best it's conjecture. I think it's a good avenue to explore. But I also think announcing the death of the ToE is a bit premature.lfen