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Topic: PROOF against evolution
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yxifix
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Message 406 of 562 (133091)
08-12-2004 2:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 394 by Lindum
08-11-2004 7:24 PM
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Re: Jar, read what he is saying
Lindum writes: yxifix writes: If you pillar starting point just appeared, just was, you can't even think about word "science". Maybe science-finction.
You miss the point. Is the theory of gravity invalid without knowing the the origin of the universe? Your logic would seem to indicate so. In the real world, questions are easy, the answers are usually not. What are you talking about? Is theory of gravity teaching about the creation of life (by accident) based on "scientific" arguments? No, it is NOT. So what are you trying to show? Oh no. You are clearly talking about logic but you don't know what the logic means obviously. Creation of life - first one is not atom, first one is not bacteria, first one is not a cell... first one is and always will be program -> information. Understand?? Information is at the beginning of universe, but information is at the beginning of life as well. So you have to start your theory from the beginning itself - from the evolution of information, my friend... not from existing information!!!
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yxifix
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Message 407 of 562 (133094)
08-12-2004 3:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 395 by jar
08-11-2004 7:24 PM
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jar writes: Taking into account your logic - you are saying "selection" is natural... but why "random selection" is natural as well? It is simply random, chance. No plan, no purpose, no design. Some live long enough to reproduce. Some don't. Conditions change. No plan, no purpose, no design. Some can survive those changes, some can't. No plan, no purpose, no design. BUT WHY? Why it should be a random selection? Why not selection of everything? Why not destruction of everything? If I have a program in a computer with randomly saving (whatever) data to a memory... why is it so? Because of given command to do so! Because of given information! ...The program whouldn't do anything until I say it to do so. UNDERSTAND? Random selection IS NOT natural for program until you give it a command (information) to be!!...Without it it would do nothing at all ! ====> That means also laws of physics are as they are because somebody had to say so!<==== GOT IT? There is no other logicall explanation, jar. So the answer why it is a random selection is: because You are saying so!!!But that means Theory of evolution is clear nonsense, jar.
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yxifix
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Re: turtles all the way down?
pink sasquatch writes: yxifix - you seem to be the one off-topic, refusing to answer questions until you've taken a poll of people's personal beliefs. Could you read the name of this topic? And now tell me Who is off topic? If you wan't to talk about different topic, create it.
So please, do get back on-topic, and answer the question I posed in a previous message: What are the unseparable parts of the theory of evolution that address life origins, specifically? Every kind of theory that is explaining how the information evolved by accident. But as I mentioned. Information is a part of Theory of evolution - IT HAS TO BE. I've mentioned it already -> a copy specially for you: "Creation of life - first one is not atom, first one is not bacteria, first one is not a cell... first one is and always will be program -> information. Understand?? Information is at the beginning of universe, but information is at the beginning of life as well. So you have to start your theory from the beginning itself - from the evolution of information, my friend... not from existing information!!!" So if you want to start from the first one -> you have to start from the frist one, not second ! In that case that would be nonsense to say it is a science. And though if you say something like that, you are lying. This message has been edited by yxifix, 08-12-2004 03:35 AM
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yxifix
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Re: evolution vs. origins?
pink sasquatch writes: Funny, when I just asked you about the creation of information you accused me of being off-topic... What is funny? You are funny. You know what is a difference between me and you? I'm giving you a proof against evolution... see the topic name once again. ...so what are you talking about? what off-topic ? ? ? Tell me, pink, what's the point of your question? I don't see any connection between your question and topic name. So I don't get it, as it is absolutely off topic.
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yxifix
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Message 410 of 562 (133101)
08-12-2004 4:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 401 by jar
08-11-2004 7:47 PM
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Re: evolution vs. origins?
jar writes: You have not heard of the Episcopal Church, Roman Catholic Church, Lutheran Church, Presbyterian Church? Come on now. Add in the CofE and you have the vast, vast majority of Christians world wide. But specifically, I am a Christian that fully supports the TOE. There is absolutely no conflict between Christianity and the TOE. Religion deals with the question of WHY, science deals with the HOWS. Two areas of study, mutually supportive. Ehm... ok... I haven't even read that list... I'm just interested in people who are here contributing to discussion... so I don't care about any organizations. No. You are not right. If science deals with the HOWS, then I have to repeat it once again - science have no idea (and will never have) how the information was evolved -> And that's the main problem -> will never have... you know why? Read posts above. I have mentioned it many time. -> That means every theory related to evolution of something is not a science ! And that means If it teaches about evolution and don't know the beginning itself, although it says it knows and act as it is a fact, then that's clear LIE. btw, you are just talking but not answering - give me clear answer - Do you believe in God or not?
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yxifix
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Re: evolution vs. origins?
pink sasquatch writes: Please explain to me specifically how the theory of evolution addresses the "creation of information", since I don't see it. Though I could easily see an argument for "change of information". Explained above in a reply to your another post
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yxifix
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Message 412 of 562 (133104)
08-12-2004 4:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 405 by crashfrog
08-11-2004 10:20 PM
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crashfrog writes: Do you believe in God (truly) and Theory of Evolution as well? Irrelevant. I've already shown you millions of people who believe in both evolution and God. What's one more on top of millions? Yes it is relevant. I don't care about millions of people... but about people I'm discussing with! So give me that answer, please.
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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 413 of 562 (133124)
08-12-2004 6:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 412 by yxifix
08-12-2004 4:10 AM
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don't care about millions of people... but about people I'm discussing with! So give me that answer, please.
Do you believe in God or not?
His personal opinions should have no effect on the validity of any evidence presented.
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yxifix
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His personal opinions should have no effect on the validity of any evidence presented. That's right. Important for me is to point out where the first information came from. ...If he doesn't believe in God, he has to explain it by the theory of evolution - by the theory "based on facts" (ehm)... of course. If he does believe that the first part of evolution was done by God (strange, isn't it - yes it is), than I have no other questions. That's the point.
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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 415 of 562 (133126)
08-12-2004 6:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 414 by yxifix
08-12-2004 6:46 AM
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The TOE (Theory of Evolution) does not require god to work. You seem to be confused in that you think the TOE deals with the beginnings of life. The TOE is based solely on what happened AFTER life came into existence.
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 416 of 562 (133133)
08-12-2004 8:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 407 by yxifix
08-12-2004 3:15 AM
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Science does not deal in WHY. Science deals with HOW.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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yxifix
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The TOE (Theory of Evolution) does not require god to work. You seem to be confused in that you think the TOE deals with the beginnings of life. The TOE is based solely on what happened AFTER life came into existence. But Information = Life ! ...it's the same, it always was. ... if TOE deals with the beginnings of life it deals with the beginning of information!!! And that's called logic! If you don't know the answer how the information was evolved = you don't know the answer how life was evolved.... all you say is just a fantasy, not science as you are saying! GOT IT now?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 418 of 562 (133160)
08-12-2004 10:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 412 by yxifix
08-12-2004 4:10 AM
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Yes it is relevant. Not to the claim you disputed. The claim was made that millions of Christians have no issue with both belief in God and the theory of evolution. This claim was substantiated repeatedly by evidence. Whether or not any of us hold that position is irrelevant to the claim that you disputed.
So give me that answer, please. I don't answer irrelevant questions. Sorry.
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yxifix
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Message 419 of 562 (133165)
08-12-2004 10:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 416 by jar
08-12-2004 8:15 AM
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jar writes: Science does not deal in WHY. Science deals with HOW. Doesn't matter. I'll repeat everything once again. If science deals with the HOWS ( How the information (life) evolved?), then I have to repeat it once again - science have no idea (and will never have) how the information was evolved -> And that's the main problem -> will never have... you know why? Read posts above. I have mentioned it many times. -> That means every theory related to evolution of something is not a science ! And that means If it teaches about evolution and don't know the beginning itself, although it says it knows and act as it is a fact, then that's clear LIE. Give me clear answer - Do you believe in God or not? About your random selection ( Is this example correct? Is it the same? Do you agree? Please answer): Why it should be a random selection? Why not selection of everything? Why not destruction of everything? If I have a program in a computer with randomly saving (whatever) data to a memory... why is it so? Because of given command to do so! Because of given information! ...The program whouldn't do anything until I say it to do so. UNDERSTAND? Random selection IS NOT natural for program until you give it a command (information) to be!!...Without it it would do nothing at all ! ====> That means also laws of physics are as they are because somebody had to say so!<==== GOT IT? There is no other logicall explanation, jar. So the answer why it is a random selection is: because You are saying so!!!But that means Theory of evolution is clear nonsense, jar.
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yxifix
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Message 420 of 562 (133166)
08-12-2004 10:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 418 by crashfrog
08-12-2004 10:35 AM
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crashfrog writes: Yes it is relevant. Not to the claim you disputed. The claim was made that millions of Christians have no issue with both belief in God and the theory of evolution. This claim was substantiated repeatedly by evidence. Whether or not any of us hold that position is irrelevant to the claim that you disputed.
So give me that answer, please. I don't answer irrelevant questions. Sorry. In fact, you just did it.
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