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Author Topic:   Natural selection? By means of suicide
lpetrich
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Message 5 of 7 (29585)
01-19-2003 4:38 PM


Among bees, it's mostly honeybees whose workers are kamikaze stingers.
And honeybees may have an additional impetus toward evolving this feature: their large hives (~10,000 individuals, with lots of honey and poilen and grubs in their honeycombs). This makes their hives a much more attractive target than those of many other social bees, making it necessary to administer extra-potent stings to their hives' predators. Furthermore, the large population of workers means that individual workers are more expendable than they would be in a small hive.
By comparison, for a small hive, workers surviving the stings they administer is a reasonable tradeoff for inflicting less potent stings -- and such stings would be OK for the relatively small predators that their hives attract. Thus, small-hive bees (and wasps) have smooth stingers.
Furthermore, queen honeybees have to survive the stings they administer in order to reproduce; they continue to have smooth stingers.
There is even some evidence of venom optimization; worker-bee venom is twice as lethal to mice as queen-bee venom. Queens only sting rival queens, while workers sting hive predators, which are often vertebrates.

  
lpetrich
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Message 6 of 7 (29587)
01-19-2003 4:49 PM


When they emerge from their hive cells, queen honeybees try to sting all the other queens that they find -- even those still in their hive cells. This is difficult to explain in "good of the species" fashion, but it is a straightforward consequence of the "selfish gene" concept -- a queen who stings all her rivals gets an entire hive for herself.

  
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