The lies behind the Miller experiment

Are you saying that the miller-urey experiment is presented without the objections that have been raised against it?That a one-sided view of this work is given?This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 11-04-2004 10:29 AMThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 11-04-2004 10:32 AM

Can you link me to an example of this? you mentioned "popular science" - is this a magazine?I have to ask, you understand the difference between evolution and Abiogensis?

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First, I have read that it is, though this may be incorrect. Second if we evolved from such orginisms that wern't poisend by it, would't that be going backwards in evoloution for that to be now hazerdous for us humans? Yet we are "evolved" from them in other ways. Is there any advantage in having cyanide be extreamly poisonous to us humans, the "pinacle of evolution?"

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You seem to be have misunderstood evolution - we don't become "better" when we evolve - we become better for the enviroment that we exist in.Do you understand the difference?

No I think that's fine Ned, I think that a discussion of the basics* is required (no disrespect intended Jesusfreak).Jesusfreak - anything there you don't get or would like us to expand on?* (what is a theory?, what is a scientific fact? and some general evolution stuff)This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 11-04-2004 05:24 PM

And what does this books say that the experiment tells us about Evolution rather than Abiogensis? http://www.glencoe.com/sec/science/earthscience/...
{Shortened display form of URL, to restore page width to normal - Adminnemooseus}is this the book?This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 11-10-2004 02:45 PM

And you understand now that evolution is not the "creation of life"?

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I have spent my time studying the general items that are needed to make fools out of my teachers.

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I don't mean to be rude - but you seem to grasp a understanding of basic terms or even what evolution actually is - I doubt this to the case.

But where - I am familar with that textbook and it is not being used to prove evolution.Unless you could quote the section that does this?

Can I be honest?This happens every six weeks or so - A creationist shows up, makes those claims and is then shot down in flames.If you could provide this evidence, you would be the first I can remember.

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good I can be the first at something. I have not said evoloution is wrong in this forum. I have said that the miller experiment is being used as a basis of fact along with a bunch of other things that are not the topic of this forum to premote the theory of evolution. Not to mention the fact that the miller experiment was a failere.

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But where? you keep saying this and have, to date, failed to provide any evidence of this.You have made a claim about the use of this experiment to prove evolution. You have so far failed to provide any evidence at all to back this claim.Can you provide such evidence?A quote, a reference from a source?This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 11-05-2004 04:10 PM

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Decommissioned Products | McGraw Hill... is the link given by Charles Knight, back in message 29. I don't see anything to do with abiogenesis on the page. Perhaps a different page of the same general source?

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Yes - that was the site I cited. However I made no suggestion it supported JF's claims. I was hoping he could explain how it did, because I couldn't see how.

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Yes I did give you the ISBN and the other guy found the book. I'll get others and quote from the one I have when I get the time

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Unless you can provide us with a quote to support this position, this is currently unproven.

I totally agree.You know, we have this every few months - have we ever seen one of those mystical textbooks that "tell lies" or apply the theory of evolution where it shouldn't go?

any chance of ever producing a quote to support your postion? or should we consider the matter closed?

No - a quote from one of those science text-books that links this experiment with evolution. You claimed to have one of those textbooks in your possession and said that you would quote the relevent passage when you had the time.Are you able to quote from such a textbook or will you retract your claim.