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Author Topic:   Thermodynamics, Abiogenesis and Evolution
rineholdr
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Message 58 of 128 (99979)
04-14-2004 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by DNAunion
04-13-2004 8:58 PM


would it be safe to say that after the Big Bang there was a massive amount of entropy that occured. basic and few types of elementary particals racing away from each other at the speed of light or faster, cooling as they left the initial source, what thermodinamic mechinism came into effect that caused an entropy decrease under this senerio? I guess Im going right to the inital source of everything we know or think we know...good place to start isn't it? At the bottom of the ladder and explain up.

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rineholdr
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Message 61 of 128 (99989)
04-14-2004 2:53 PM
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04-14-2004 2:36 PM


What is the input of energy? It was already there in the (egg). I would assume this to be the ultimate closed system, and with the 2lot as well working on it. Something as dense as this egg and the extreame high heat and pressure would only allow for simple sub atomic particals to be present. So I would think that logic would conclude that the explosion (which is another good question...what caused it) would be such a devistating event as to make un-thinkable any kind of useful organization could occure following the event. Unless ofcourse the explosion was not fine tuned enough to allow escape velocity and the whole thing collapsed (the mother of all black holes), but we know it didn't do that because of the obvious expansion of the universe we know. What mechinism caused all the angular mometum, The condesation of galexies, stars, planets etc. Sub atomic particals, individual as only they could be after such an event traveling at the speed of light...boggles my mind to understand what forces played into the obvious wonder and organization on a galactic scale we see with our own eyes!

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rineholdr
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Message 62 of 128 (99992)
04-14-2004 2:58 PM
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04-14-2004 2:53 PM


I used the wrong term...radial momentum should have been angualar momentum. Appologies

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rineholdr
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Message 71 of 128 (100400)
04-16-2004 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by wj
04-14-2004 8:39 PM


After this I believe I'll be finished...please quiet the applause! Every argument I feel I've made seems legitimate to me and in many aspects make sence. But you who believe that evolution is inevitable because...here we are...is to say the least obsurd. You say that first generation living cells are "simple" and it was no problem under the given conditions that life had to happen. Well just for the record The first living cells are far from simple! The simplist living cells far exceeds in complexity anything man can concive. They make by design a kray computer or a space shuttle seem as mear childs play. So get your lab smocks well laundered, arrange the pencils and pens in the pocket, some new note pads, fire up the bunson burners and start the centerfuges, wash the beakers and tubes and get all the great minds of our time together! From scratch with any means possible (I wont hold you to naturalistic conditions) Construct and make functional a simple cell. Just that simple, I mean if the random combinations of simple molecules can spontaiously evolve into life, this challage should be quit simple.
Thank you and please post your results before 64 billion years pass.

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