MrHambre - Abiogenesis and Origins

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You guys are so close to making me an evo' right now I can almost completely give in.

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And just remember, no matter what our religious convictions are, we don't want you to change yours. The last thing I want to see on this site is someone give up their faith due to them changing their YEC position. Some of us may not stress this enough, but evolution is not propaganda contrived to create more athiests, nor should it be. Good luck on your next thousands posts and best regards.

If Mike becomes an evolutionist, don't the conservation laws require an equal and opposite reverse conversion? Will someone volunteer, or must we choose straws? Seriously, Mike, I really liked the way you characterized your journey. You know, instead of an evolutionist, you could instead become a follow-the-evidence-wherever-it-leads-ist.I'm trying to recall your early posts. Were you originally skeptical of scientists, believing they just made it up to oppose religion, or am I thinking of someone else? If that was you, what caused you to change your mind on this point?--Percy

Two points, one important and one frivilous.Silly first:
You can't "convert" you're our candidate for a creo admin! Sides there are so few that carry on a reasonable conversation we need you.Important:
I second the need to not let any of this damage faith. In my eyes the whole YEC thing isn't as much a faith issue as even those at AIG or ICR might pretend (or even honestly think). I see more of a political power play involved. It is this corruption of faith that my Christian friends are horrified and angered by. Their anger over this is greater than my anger over interferring with education. The faith is much more important to them than the education is to me.Having lost a loved one I can, to a degree, understand some of the comfort that faith might be able to give you. If you've got it don't let it go because of lies told by those at AIG.Have the best of both. An appreciation for the awesome wonder of the natural world and a connection with something you feel is greater still. Just don't let either one get in the way of the other. The simply minded view pushed by the creationist camp blinds them to both the majesty of the natureal universe and any hint of just how truely powerful the God they think they believe in could be. I can just barely understand a bit of the theology of the Christians I know well (a little maybe) but I only see in the creationist view the kind of faith a child might have in Santa Claus and have very, very little clue as to why they would push it on a religious basis. One a political basis I think I can see why.added by edit
'sides the MN side may yet be in for a surprise out there if we really do find gap that simply can not be closed - ever. Or even a hint of something else going on (though I guess that would become within the scope of MN if it did. mmmm, I get confused if I try to get too philosophical or too theological. That might be why I stay away.[This message has been edited by NosyNed, 03-31-2004]

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If Mike becomes an evolutionist, don't the conservation laws require an equal and opposite reverse conversion? Will someone volunteer, or must we choose straws?

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I'll do it, if being a creationist will afford me Moose's special protection.

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"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

Percy,
I came on here after hearing about creationism and thought everybody in the world didn't realise that there was this alternative view you could have - Lol, infact you guys already knew a LOT about creationism, however - I never thought science was religious. I wonder if my first ever post is able to be found, I think it was a typical YEC rant.Ned, Lol - I've noticed some people are totally inable to give up on the tiniest of points, and will argue till the sun becomes big and red and humans have de-evolved into bouncing ape flees. Amen to that, I am sorry about that loss there and I gauruntee my faith is solid, at the moment I suppose I am too neutral to be considered either evo or creo. I will remain calling myself creationist if I must be categorized, but do understand this is only because I believe the universe was created by God, and the animals, it has nothing to do with Ken Ham or any theory of anyones though, so - just like Einstein, don't let them mis-represent my belief. Yes, it is good to leave that door open and maybe we will be surprised, as they say in star trek- the future is the undiscovered country.
It's a shame you don't get involved in those philosophical/theological discussions though Ned, this kind of logical roundabout is exactly what my brain thrives on for what reason I'll never know.Loudmouth,
Thanks for your encouragement with my endeavours recently, I assure you I won't accept anyone mis-representing your true intentions.Dan you are still banned for being a less of a chance deludant Wow, well - I think I replied to everyone..........[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 03-31-2004]