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cavediver
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Message 98 of 415 (484004)
09-25-2008 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by AlphaOmegakid
09-25-2008 5:22 PM


Re: Evidence for abiogenesis
Yes assertions, please back up your assertions and show anything that I have said about matter, gravity and light that is not scientifically accurate. Citations please!
Are. You. Serious???
Sadly not on topic here, but do you really want to go there? I mean, your comments on the LoB are beyond the pale stupid, but they are works of genius compared to your gutteral utterances on physics. Would you like me to start a thread on disecting your complete lack of understanding? Nosy and others are still patiently waiting for a basic intro to Lagrangian forumlations of GR, QFT and string theory, but I'm sure they'll happily wait in order to see this.

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cavediver
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Message 99 of 415 (484007)
09-25-2008 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by AlphaOmegakid
09-25-2008 5:22 PM


Re: Evidence for abiogenesis
LoB states that ALL living matter comes from pre-existing living matter.
Who gives a shit what some law states? You do realise that just about all 'laws' in science are broken somewhere or other - Laws are simple summaries of OBSERVATIONS, they are not theories. The LoB has NO FUCKING MECHANISM so how can it possibly prevent anything??? Abiogenesis may well be impossible without God personally intervening and poofing the spark of life into some mud - but this has fuck-all to do with the LoB - the LoB would simply be an observatinal consequence. And guess what? A->B does not mean B->A. Geez, this is such elementary stuff...

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cavediver
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Message 164 of 415 (498814)
02-14-2009 5:00 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by traste
02-14-2009 3:38 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
I dont think so that you absorb your mathemathics well.
And it appears that you have no understanding of evolution, abiogenesis, and mathematics. Not a good base from which to criticise others' knowledge.
Evolution implies randomness
No, of course it does not - it implies order, by the filtering action of natural selection. The large scale order we see in life is simply a function of its environment. The randomness in the genetic differences across a population simply provides the source data for the filter. If you have any understanding of a Monte-Carlo simulation, then this process will be obvious to you.
I dont hear any mathemathics supports evolution but mathemathics speak againts it.
I suggest you start learning mathematics AND evolution if you don't want to look like an idiot in front of those who do understand...

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cavediver
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Message 166 of 415 (498816)
02-14-2009 5:20 AM
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02-14-2009 4:47 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
High mathemathics are like differential equation,set theory, abstract algebra,number theory...just to name a few.
this is first year undergrad mathematics. How is this "high mathematics"?
One typical example of the mathemathical absurdness of evolution is that amino acids could get in there proper places in one chance in 10 to the 113(ten followed by 113 zeros).Supporters of evolution acknowledge that
Supporters of evolution (known as 'scientists' or 'intelligent, well-informed non-scientists') acknowledge that people who use the above argument are either intellectually ignorant or just stupid.
Go watch this video, learn something, then come back and we can discuss the merits of abiogenesis constructively...

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cavediver
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Message 171 of 415 (498824)
02-14-2009 5:46 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by traste
02-14-2009 5:25 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
oh dear, you are wallowing, aren't you? The fact that you are asking for a mathematical support of "evolution" shows you have very little understanding of how mathematics works, and no understanding of evolution. The fact that you are confusing abiogenesis and evolution demonstrates you have no understanding of abiogenesis and evolution. You are not doing very well, are you? Your idiot picture of spontanteous formation of a complex cell is so stupid that I will not waste any time with it. Go watch the video, then get back...

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cavediver
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Message 174 of 415 (498827)
02-14-2009 6:02 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by traste
02-14-2009 5:35 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
First year under graduate are you kidding?
No, I'm not - given that my university employed me to teach this, I know a little about it High math? Not a term I would use, but I guess my favourite areas would be category theory, algebraic topology, and stochastic calculus.
Now, asking for mathematical support for evolution is like asking for mathematical support for cosmology - it's an idiot question, revealing your ignorance. You may ask for mathematical support for individual components of the body of work that make up cosmology, such as General Relativity, Jeans Instability, etc, but to ask those questions you would actually have to know something about the subject...
Edited by cavediver, : always using too many commas!
Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.

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cavediver
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Message 183 of 415 (498836)
02-14-2009 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by traste
02-14-2009 6:45 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
Yes, Fred Hoyle demonstrated extreme ignorance when it came to evolution and mathematics, and lost much respect in the scientific establishment. His desperate clinging to his Steady State concepts lost him even more respect. Very sad actually.
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cavediver
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Message 184 of 415 (498837)
02-14-2009 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by traste
02-14-2009 6:30 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
Ok.Since you are challenging me mathemathically could we start now?Prove that 1 is 2? Proving them is just like proving that evolution is true.
what are you? 18? Your comments are revealing you as very young, and very inexperienced.
Before continuing with mathematics, you need to brush up your English as it is close to unintelligible. This is an english-speaking debate forum. Perhaps one in your own tongue would be more suitable?
And by the way Iam highly esteem in mathemathics how about you?
You are? I find it hard to believe given the very poor reasoning skills you have demonstrated here. Me? I was a professional mathematican/phsyicist for eight years before becoming a financial mathematician and then a teacher of mathematics. So I know a little
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cavediver
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Message 224 of 415 (499081)
02-16-2009 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by lyx2no
02-16-2009 3:16 PM


Re: The Spat's Phat But
I'm more then willing to show patients with your poor use of English
Show them what, exactly? When critiquing one's use of language, please ensure one's own is exemplary
we need to straighten out why you insist on equating "spontaneous generation" with "abiogenesis"
The only way these can be equated is by total ignorance of the subject, abject stupidity, or complete dishonesty. There aren't many other creationist arguments that will cause me to so readily dismiss the creationist as a fool not worth my time. The fact that traste claims such an educated background simply makes the situation all the worse.
And even if Pasteur had inteneded to imply that life in all circumstances will never arise from non-life, then so what? If he did, then he was simply an over-reaching idiot, irrespective of the truth or falseness of his statement. But I think we are equally sure that Pasteur was no idiot, and that he meant no such thing.

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cavediver
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Message 253 of 415 (504187)
03-25-2009 2:57 AM
Reply to: Message 252 by lyx2no
03-24-2009 5:12 PM


Re: Is "traste" the Bulgarian Word for Lame-o?
Edited by lyx2no, 03-24-2009 10:13 PM: Had to correct some less then exemplarily English.
I particularly like the deliberate misuse of "then" instead of "than"

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cavediver
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Message 355 of 415 (514457)
07-07-2009 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by Blue Jay
07-07-2009 7:48 AM


Re: Are you a droped out in logic?
While this is only nit-picking your literary skills, your inability to comprehend and use scientific and logical terms tells me that you don't really know what you're talking about.
I think we saw the same argument with Alphaomegakid (apologies if I'm wrong) and a multitude before him. In my book, anyone who *persistently* claims that Pasteur or The Law of Biogenesis "proves" abiogenesis wrong does not have the required mental capability to engage in any type of scienitific discussion, nevermind one on the topic of abiogenesis.

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