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Message 113 of 415 (485233)
10-06-2008 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by AlphaOmegakid
09-26-2008 6:31 PM

Eternally young life.
AlphaOmegakid writes:

Biogenesis is all living matter comes from pre-existing living matter. Biogenesis is bacteria come from bacteria. Biogenesis is maggots come from flies. Biogenesis is dogs come from dogs. Biogenesis is tulips come from tulip bulbs. Biogenesis is corn comes from corn seeds.

The law of biogenesis sums up the observation that all contemporary life forms that we've examined come from other life forms.

"Life always comes from life", so far as we know, or as Wiki puts it:


Pasteur's (and others) empirical results were summarized in the phrase, Omne vivum ex vivo (or Omne vivum ex ovo), Latin for "all life [is] from [an] egg". This is sometimes called "law of biogenesis" and shows that modern organisms do not spontaneously arise in nature from non-life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogenesis My bold.

The egg part was literally wrong, of course, but the principle still holds.

The assertion that "life always came from life" is a completely different one, and requires an eternal universe which is always in a state that could support life. This is in complete contradiction to all contemporary cosmological models, which show that life could not have existed in the early universe, meaning that some kind of abiogenesis must have taken place somewhere.

The attempt by young earth creationists to use an eternal life argument based, presumably, on a lack of understanding of the tenses of the verb "to come" is hilarious. Life is both young and eternal, apparently. ;)

Edited by bluegenes, : wrong word

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Message 138 of 415 (498446)
02-10-2009 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by traste
02-10-2009 8:31 AM

traste writes:

What is absolute and correct abiogenesis that disprove long ago by Pasteur?Do you agree if I say if a certain theory is contradictory to prove idea the theory need to be reconsider?I THINK THAT IS A CHARACTERISTIC OF GOOD SCIENCE.Do year any experiment producing life from non life?If youy hear your alone.

What are the characteristics of good written English in your mind, traste?

Speaking of which, Pasteur's law was originally expressed as "Omne vivum ex ovo", latin for "all life [is] from eggs". This we now know is not literally true, because organisms that divide to self-replicate do not use eggs. However, the general observation still holds out, and is usually expressed as "All life comes from life", which, so far as all life forms we have observed are concerned, holds true, although it cannot be proven as an absolute law even when applied to the present.

The reason that this is popular amongst creationists is probably because hillbillies have problems with their tenses. It was never "All life was from eggs" or "All life came from life". Such statements would imply that life is eternal, of course; that it has always existed, meaning no creation or abiogenesis.

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