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Author Topic:   The Big Bang, Abiogenesis, and Evolution
TyberiusMax
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Message 289 of 300 (430090)
10-23-2007 11:27 AM


The bitter simple question
This is not to convince people there is a God
Neither does it confuse them with a circular argument.
This does not argue with biblical ideas, but with a simple question of a very simple
SCIENTIFIC PROBLEM with "No Creator Creation"
The simple question is...
If No God exists then how did the raw existence of matter come about?
NATURAL LAW OF MATTER:
Matter exists physically and exists as energy
Matter is what EVERYTHING is made out of...
Matter cannot be created nor destroyed...
The amount of matter in the Universe has been the same ever since the matter came about.
This means matter must already be SOMEWHERE for SOMETHING to happen
This means even before ANY CREATION THEORY(Big bang, Evolution)...there must have been
matter in order for something else to be created or happen
The universe therefore cannot be infinitely old because that would mean that matter has been
here forever
But where did that matter come from, since it cannot be created.
Did it just appear out of nothing!?!?
Others say everything that is now, is from the big bang
But then what caused the big bang?
The Big bang could not happen without something there(hydrogen or something), and if that
something is there, matter is there
But again this leads me to HOW WAS THIS MATTER MADE!
How, since you cannot make SOMETHING from NOTHING, is this possible
This leads to two conclusions, one being logical:
1)Here we have matter, we know matter and its properties, we know it's laws
Yet we say...
The first "Anything(atom,quark,matter)" came out of nothing, therefore, matter can not only
be made, but also can be made out of nothing.
2)He we have a God a "Matter Creator", we don't know Gods properties, we don't know his laws
And we say...
There is a Being or Something who is outside all boundaries of LAWS and NATURE and TIME, and
created all we know and do not know.
Tell me how is this argument wrong?

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TyberiusMax
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Joined: 10-23-2007


Message 292 of 300 (430120)
10-23-2007 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by Chiroptera
10-23-2007 12:41 PM


Re: The bitter simple question
But you ignore the simple truth...
it is a LAW: something cannot come from "pure nothing"
(please tell me you believe this)
Going all the way back to the beginning of time, space, and everything. what happened to make something out of nothing.
The smallest you could say is that there were two particles of anti-matter and matter.
but then you ignore the simplicity again, how were those made.
not even a quark(or smaller!) could be made with out something making it.
It cannot be said that something was there to begin it all. It is impossible. Because anything that is there is existence and therefore had to be made at sometime.
The only logical reasoning is that something is outside of existence(Matter,Anti-Matter, Laws,Time,Everything) and created existance. Anything else goes against logic
Edited by TyberiusMax, : spelling

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