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Joralex
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Message 6 of 30 (62657)
10-24-2003 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by NosyNed
10-23-2003 10:27 PM


Re: *smacks self in head*
"Not knowing how something occurs is not a great reason for concluding that God did it. For some reason this is is used as an argument by some."
Infinitely stranger are those that not knowing how something occurs and not knowing of any natural mechanism that could possibly account for it yet vehemently and dogmatically insist that this is precisely how it did occur, i.e., naturally and without requiring a Creator. How in heaven's name do they think to get away after pulling a stunt like that?
Joralex

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Joralex
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Message 15 of 30 (62712)
10-25-2003 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Rei
10-24-2003 8:17 PM


Re: *smacks self in head*
Ah, Joralex, Prophet of the God of the Gaps.
Ah, Rei... Prophet of Scientism.
Once upon a time,
Good start, Rei... most fairy tales do begin with "once upon a time".
there were two camps of scientists when it came to the age of the universe. The geologists insisted that the world's age was measured in the billions. All of their evidence pointed to it. The astronomers, however, insisted that Earth's age was in the millions. All of their evidence pointed to it. The difference couldn't be reconciled.
What was wrong? Well, the astronomical model for how the sun formed and released heat was only partially right. All calculations showed that it was impossible to be just a big ball of fire; it had to be something more. However, the concepts of fission and fusion were unknown at the time. Their model was gravitational collapse - which actually does power stars in their early stages, but can't last for more than a few million years.
All of the sudden, fusion was discovered. Suddenly, everything *fit*. They looked again at the spectral readings from the stars, and realized that they fit with fusion. They did the math, and fusion would mean that, for the sun to get its current composition, it would have to have formed about 4.5 billion years ago. The sun's magnetic field was explained. All sorts of things just suddenly "clicked". Science has had numerous moments like this.
So what? As observations mount we are bound to be able to make more 'connections'. Since when is that equal to 'understanding'?
In modern day, the basic physical laws are largely very well understood (although we're still searching for that unifying theory...)
You clearly don't know much about these things, do you, Rei?
We "understand" NOTHING. We have merely accumulated enough observations/experience to become adequate technicians (but not always and sometimes not so adequate). In time we will become better technicians but this is an infinite cry from true understanding.
So, for the most part, that which is not yet known is that for which there is not enough computing power to fully simulate. That's a pretty small gap to stick your God into.
This is a joke, right? By any chance, am I on Candid Camera?
Don't you know that we are completely clueless on even the fundamental entities of science let alone the complex systems involving these entities?
I'll wager that you don't even know what I'm talking about, am I right?
Joralex

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