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jjsemsch
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Message 37 of 305 (394453)
04-11-2007 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Matt P
02-05-2007 4:45 PM


Abiogenesis Problems
As best as I understand it the current model for abiogenesis happened in a primordial soup. Randomly atoms formed amino acids which randomly formed protein strands, which then randomly formed DNA strands.
The first problem with this model is when amino acids are randomly formed there are left and right handed amino acids. In other words there are mirror image amino acids. Due to the laws of chance there would be nearly equal parts left and right handed amino acids in this primordial soup. In living organisms, however nearly all amino acids are left handed. In fact right handed amino acids are not only useless but can be toxic (even lethal) to life. (1) (2)
The next problem is forming proteins from these amino acids. Supposedly this took place in water. As amino acids form a peptide bond to form a protein they give off a water molecule. The longer the protein strand the more water, unfortunately water tends to reverse the chemical process of amino acids bonding. (3) At equilibrium it is statistically impossible for this chemical process to reach the average protein composition of around 400 amino acids.
And the final problem is protein strands randomly forming DNA strands. Even if the first two huge hurdles could be cleared and even if proteins randomly bonded to produce DNA, this DNA code would be useless without the mechanism to interpret it. For example if you randomly threw magnetic alphabet letters on your refrigerator and came up with the phrase:
THE DOG SAT
This would be useless unless you spoke English. This phrase is meaningless in Chinese or French. Also if this phrase were to come in to existence before the English language, it would also be useless.
So in response to MattP even if you can create DNA or RNA strands without the mechanics of a cell it is completely useless, unless the cell is already in existence to interpret that information. But for a cell to spontaneously come into existence the blueprint (DNA) has to be around first. It’s the same as the chicken and egg problem. Eventually you just say God created the chicken on day 5 along with all of the other birds. If you want the true beginning of living things you have to look no further than the 11th verse of Genesis 1: Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so.
And in response to LFH, I think you had the right idea, but were unable to articulate it to be relevant to this thread. Good luck in the future.
Reference:
(1)Jamali, F., Lovlin, R., Corrigan, B.W., Davies, N.M. and Aberg, G., Stereospecific pharmacokinetics and toxicodynamics of ketorolac after oral administration of the racemate and optically pure enantiomers to the rat, Chirality 11(3):201-205, 1999.
(2)Coppedge, J.F., Probability of left-handed molecules, CRSQ 8:163-174, 1971
(3)Sarfati, J., Origin of life: the polymerization problem, TJ 12(3):281-284, 1998
Edited by jjsemsch, : Added References

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