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PaulK
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Message 47 of 406 (490011)
12-01-2008 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Buzsaw
12-01-2008 10:52 AM


Re: Biblical Inspiration
Of course as you know most of these have already been adequately refuted and detailed discussion of most is off topic.
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35, 36 = Prophecy of Edom/modern Palestinians, descendents of Essau and Ishmael where these people would be claiming two nations including the Jewish holy cites such as the Temple Mount.
Obviously you feel that the God is too stupid to tell the difference between ancient Edomites and modern Palestinians. As well as being not bright enough to understand modern weapons.
The only thing you are proving is that you aren't a Christian. No Christian would mock God the way you do.

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PaulK
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Message 50 of 406 (490019)
12-01-2008 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Buzsaw
12-01-2008 4:22 PM


Re: Biblical Inspiration
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1. Pray tell then, from what ancient people did the majority of East Bank Palestinians descend and where are the descendents of Edom (descendants of Esau and Ishmael) today?
As you yourself admitted they aren't specifically Edomite. The East Bank would seem to have more to do with Moab or Ammon than Edom (which is South of the Jordan). And of course, Gaza, the Philistine city, is an important Palestinian settlement. And as I pointed out in the original thread the Edomites had been converted to Judaism by the time they disappeared from history - the Palestinian Jews may have stronger Edomite ancestry than the Palestinians.
If God meant to send a message to modern Palestinians he REALLY screwed up.
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2. The weapons thing being debatable...
No, it isn't.
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...how about the rest of the prophecies of Ezekiel 35 to 39 and the significance of them relative to modern history in the region?
There's nothing much there.
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You're citing the only questionable aspects when in fact all of the rest of the prophecies are unquestionably significant to fulfillment.
I only need to cite the material that proves that you are arguing that God is an idiot.
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The question remains how much detail was revealed to the prophet relative to description of weaponry and how much was assumed by the prophet when speaking the prophecy
According to Ezekiel the words came direct from God. As you would know if you bothered to read it. Or even the previous thread.
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As to your judgment concerning alledgment that my Christianity is bogus, judge not that you be not judged. Just because we disagree does not mean that I'm not a Christian.
Of course it isn't that we disagree. It's the fact that you openly mock God.

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PaulK
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Message 52 of 406 (490030)
12-01-2008 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Huntard
12-01-2008 5:13 PM


Re: Biblical Inspiration
The "archaeological evidence" from Aqaba that you will find in the Moeller thread is mainly:
Coral formations that look as if they might have grown around wheel and axles. Nothing to date them to ancient Egypt - so far as I could tell anything inside could be 20th Century.
(There are also claims that the coral formations contained iron - which dates them to be too late for Wyatt and Moeller).
A rather suspicious photograph of what is claimed to be a gold plated chariot wheel. There's nothing to scale it. It was only seen by Wyatt and his "expedition". There's nothing to scale it. It looks planted. Wyatt claimed to have found it with a dowsing device (and the Wyatt camp refuse to even admit to the fact that it IS a dowsing device).
You will also discover:
Strong evidence that Wyatt was a faker and a fraud.
Proof that Moeller is completely incompetent as a historian.

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Message 147 of 406 (490672)
12-07-2008 4:10 AM
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12-07-2008 12:12 AM


Re: Apprising The Clueless On The Eternal Perspective
Since my refutation has been ignored again, I'll deal with these assertions:
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3. Edomites have not claimed the holy mountain of Israel and the land of Israel to be added to their own land until these modern times. See Ezekiel 35:10 and 36:2 and 36:5. I am not aware of Edom ever claiming their land as well as Israel until modern times.
In these days there is no Edom to claim anything. The last record of the Edomites (or Idumaeans as they were called) as a specific people mentions a large force sent to aid the Jews besieged in Jerusalem.
There is no clear link between the modern Palestinians and the ancient Idumaeans. The West Bank does not even overlap with the ancient Kingdom of Edom. Mount Seir which God threatens to devastate is not in the West Bank, but in modern Israe.
Even worse for you is that Ezekiel's message to the Edomites was that they would be punished for what they had already done. (35:5, 35:10).
So essentially your argument is that God got it completely wrong. Ezekiel 35 was meant to be delivered in modern times to modern Palestinians. God sent it to the wrong person at the wrong time, about the wrong people and even threatened to devastate the wrong land.
And your evidence for this is that you personally haven't heard of the Edomites wanting to conquer ancient Israel and Judah.
I don't know about you, but I don't take the simple fact that I haven't heard of something as proof that it never happened. And according to Ezekiel 35:10 God personally said that it did happen. It seems that you need very little evidence to set aside the Bible when it suits you

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