Anything Divine in the Bible?

You have a very elementary and incomplete understanding of what comprises Biblical inspiration. It's a lot more than emotional ecstasy and spine tingling sensations.If one is to appreciate the inspirational aspects of the Bible, one must corroborate all of the significant evidences of what lends credence to it as a historical record as well as a prophetic record of what would become history subsequent to the time the manuscripts were written.Some corroborative examples supportive to the divine inspiration of the Biblical record:1. Archaeological evidence in the Gulf of Aqaba region of Nuweiba beach and sandbar which secularist archaeologists avoid and refuse to verify or refute. The National Geographic, for example has claimed that there is absolutely no evidence of the Biblical Exodus. I watched their so called "Exodus Revealed" program where they cited a traditional Mt Sinai version of the Exodus where the crossing was allegedly near the traditional mountain at the mouth of Aqaba where there was no evidence whatsoever. The ones who produced this which was essentially an undermining of the real Exodus cite where the evidence was repeatedly reminded the viewers that there was no evidence for the Exodus whatsoever, referring to the old traditional cite. They totally ignored the Nuweiba cite where all of the evidence, including the chariot debris, the entrapment terrain, the burnt topped mountain, the NT statement that it was in Arabia and the split rock as well as other evidence.2. Lack of transitional fossil evidence.3. Enormity of complexity and design observed on earth and in the cosmos.4. Prophecy of Ezekiel 35 through 39 which predicts end time messianic declarations of scattering of Jews throughout the world to be restored as a nation.
35, 36 = Prophecy of Edom/modern Palestinians, descendents of Essau and Ishmael where these people would be claiming two nations including the Jewish holy cites such as the Temple Mount.36 = Prophecy of desolate hills and valleys of Israel coming to life and being restored to production and lush vegetation.37 = Prophecy of the Jews returning to their land never to be again removed and that they would return from all nations and dwell in their own land under messianic reign of the messiah who was to be the descendant of David.38. = Prophecy of the nations surrounding nations and nations north of Israel who would threaten and eventually invade the restored nation, i.e. Armageddon. The nations named and described are in place as enemies of Israel all working for the division of the land and of the annihilation of the nation as Jewish and as Israel.5. Prophecies of end time Messiah in Isaiah 52 who would be first offered up as a sacrifice for the sins of mankind (Isaiah 53,54) and who would become ruler of restored Israel.6. Prophecy of Jesus in Luke 21 when he prophesied that Jerusalem would be invaded and become occupied by Gentile nations until the end times when it would again be occupied by Jews.7. Compatibility with 1LoT in that no energy is created from nothing. All energy, matter and forces comes from the divine omnipotent creator to be changed and managed by the designer according to his intelligent creative and manageability powers.8. Compatibility with 2LoT in that equilibrium is effect when energy moves from creator to creation. This is effected by work of the designer. An example of this is also when Jesus healed the woman who had a blood issue affliction. When the woman was healed, Jesus noted that energy had left him and went into her ailment to effect the healing.9. Observance of cultures comparing Biblical cultures with pagan and secularist cultures where the more blessed cultures are those who follow Biblical principles and guidelines.As I have always contended, it's not that each of the above proves the Biblical record, but that when you corroborate all of these, not to mention many other evidences which I've not cited, you have evidences supportive to the inspiration of the Biblical record. There are arguments pro and con for some of the above, but the more corroboration you have for any ideology, the more credible the ideology becomes.There are pro and con arguments to all ideologies, but the folks here at EvC, for the most part tend to refuse acknowledgement of the corroborative pro arguments which are supportive to the Biblical record.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

So you admit your ignorance concerning the most significant evidences of the Biblical record. My point was that since the corroborating evidences lend support to the Biblical record, if it is true the hypothesis is scientifically compatible to the basic laws of energy relative to none being created and of equilibrium. 1. There is corroborative evidence to the Biblical record, archaeological evidence to the prophecy being a supernatural foretelling, i.e. the Dead Sea Scrolls.2. There is historical evidence to the crucifixion.3. Heat is a form of energy.Marine biologist Lennart Moller, who used his marine research vessel and equipment to photograph and explore the Nuweiba site followed up on evidence which the late Ron Wyatt, explorer of the region with scientific research of the evidence of the discovery. His book "The Exodus Revealed" and his video "The Exodus Video" have been debated in the EvC archives if you care to do a on site search. You can also Google up evidence on this. There are sites which show portions of the video. These, like some Islamic and other pagan nations were rich but the folks on the streets didn't fare all that well. They were often oppressed by ruthless dictators. The same could be said for Israel when they departed from Biblical principles. How can you make such false claims when in fact you admit to ignorance of the most significant evidences and when you propose weak arguments which fail to significantly refute?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. Pray tell then, from what ancient people did the majority of East Bank Palestinians descend and where are the descendents of Edom (descendants of Esau and Ishmael) today?2. The weapons thing being debatable, how about the rest of the prophecies of Ezekiel 35 to 39 and the significance of them relative to modern history in the region? You're citing the only questionable aspects when in fact all of the rest of the prophecies are unquestionably significant to fulfillment. The question remains how much detail was revealed to the prophet relative to description of weaponry and how much was assumed by the prophet when speaking the prophecy. There are just far too many significant fulfilled details to wave this off as fable or contemporary to the day they were written.As to your judgment concerning alledgment that my Christianity is bogus, judge not that you be not judged. Just because we disagree does not mean that I'm not a Christian. I take that as a personal off topic insult. If you want to discuss the legitimacy of my Christianity you can propose a topic on that.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

You mean like last century when secularist anti Biblical governments which slaughtered over a hundred million of their own citizens including babes and like pagan jungle cultures which ate their neighbors and their kids as well as others which sacrificed children in fires?Or perhaps you have in mind so many anti Biblical cultures today like India (Hindu), Buddhist cultures, Islamic nations and communist nations such as China, Viet Nam etc where Christian families are killed and tortured and others whose homes and churches are burned.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

D.A., How can you regard my factual statement as a form of bigotry? Can you refute my statement as non-historical/non-factual? An anti-Biblical culture is one which persecutes anyone who publically displays a Bible, dispenses or propagates Bibles or Biblical doctrine, and who practices or professes Biblical New Testament Christianity or Biblical Old Testament Judaism. Yada, yada. Where is your factual refutation? I'm talking about citizens of the Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu cultural nations. Anyone who converts to Christianity in these nations have been consistently persecuted by violence, loss of homes and churches, torture and death. LOL! Wikipedia says otherwise. As well, I get the VOM monthly magazine which has cited many cases of extreme persecution of Christian nationals in Bud dist cultural nations. I believe one of these was Tibet and another Burma. (Embolding mine for emphasis) The facts are that the persecution persists today. In the last VOM monthly, on April, 2008 a Viet Nam pastor, Y-ben Hdok, was executed by police in Daklak province for pastoring a congregation of 132 not sanctioned by the government. In northern Viet Nam only about a dozen church buildings are allowed. They are severely restricted in the south as well. Edited by Buzsaw, : Fix quotes

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

This thread is about whether there is anything divine in the Bible. The religion of the popes and bishops of the RCC were neither Biblical or divine. It was the true saints and protestant non RCC believers who were persecuted and murdered by the torturous and murderous popes and bishops of the inquisitions who were divine during those Dark Ages.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

D A, I've covered this in the past but what you cite above is actions by the supreme creator who implemented specific consequential results of the fall of mankind which were deemed necessary by him for the preservation of the planet, humanity at large and for his kingdom which was to replace the paganistic cultures of Canaan with his messianic kingdom on earth which has been prophesied to soon come relative to the modern phenomena of the regathered Jews.The things you cite were for the preservation of humanity (flood/corrupted humanity) and solely applicable to the nation of Israel, etc.Of course, for one to have understanding of the above, one must be convinced that the Bible is, in fact, divinely inspired by the designer, creator and manager of the universe. I have no doubt whatsoever about that.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Of course as per your usual MO, no refutation of my facts is posted.It is factual that the NT allows for no enforcement of Christianity upon anyone so the popes and bishops of the inquisitions were not practicing Biblical Christianity. They were practicing paganism, statues/idols, violence and all under the cloak of Christianity.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Relative to the topic, whoever defies Biblical Christian principles has nothing to do with this topic of Biblical divinity, be it pope, bishop or whoever. You can't argue against Biblical divinity by citing non-Biblical (abe: practices/religions claiming to be Biblically Christian). Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

God knows. He opposed oppression and advocated freedom of religion. Some of his peasant followers became embroiled in violence which he opposed, advocating for obedience to authority as long as freedom of religion was not denied.Luther had his faults but by and large he accomplished much for the advancement of the gospel of the NT and religious freedom.ABE: Jesus prophesied that his little religion would become a massive worldwide religion before the end of the age. Martin Luther's role in fulfillment of this prophecy was significant in that he was instrumental in initiating the freedom to advance the gospel. As well, his German translation of the Bible worked to this end. Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

D A, I have to agree that some of the utterances of Luther raise questions as to his Christianity. Before I posted I read where the peasants were at war with the state and that Luther took the side of the state in this uprising by the peasants. I don't know enough about the particulars on this but I agree that the quotes relative to the peasants and the Jews appear totally contrary to Christian principles. As to his Christianity I'll leave that judgment with God.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Bertot is right, Cavediver. You haven't a clue regarding the Biblical eternal perspective on reality.Jehovah, the Biblical god via the Mosaic law, imposed strict and harsh laws upon one specific culture/nation on the planet which was to be groomed for the divine purpose of a Kingdom Of Heaven on earth, i.e. the Messianic Kingdom as prophesied by numerous OT and NT prophets, including Messiah Jesus himself.This nation, Israel, was to be unique to all other nations and cultures on earth. It must be a people who would endure global animosity, persecution and dispersion to actually be dispersed globally for a long period of time to return and become a Jewish nation called Israel after the times of Gentile occupation are finished in this land of Israel.To whom much is given, much is required. If a family, for example, became corrupt in this unique nation of Jehovah god the family was not allowed to live to corrupt the culture under the Levitical Mosaic law. Thus the harsh actions which were to be imposed upon this nation.As well, whenever the nation of Israel became corrupt to worship idols and foreign false gods, Jehovah raised up pagan nations such as Babylon, Assyria and Egypt to punish them and so to speak, refine/purify them in the fires of judgment.Now, you likely say, "BS." To that I would remind that the nation has been scattered, the land has been desolate for nearly a score of centuries and here they are gathered back, surrounded by hostile nations and blossoming again, just as the prophets proclaimed. I've said the above to say that had not Jehovah imposed harsh restrictions and harsh judgment on both pagan nations which were driven out of Canaan to be replaced by Jehovah's kingdom messianic nation and had not Jehovah imposed harsh judgment on the Israelites themselves to purge corruption from them, the messianic kingdom soon to come on planet earth a kingdom of righteousness, peace, long life and prosperity on planet earth would not have been possible, because Israel would have died off long before the messiah was even born.The bottom line to you and to all of our friends here at EvC, is that you either get with the program of God's kingdom on earth or you end up with all of the loosers in the end who miss out in spite of the evidence of the Biblical divine.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

In fact, the Golden Rule is half of the summarization of the Ten Commandments as summarized by Jesus when he stated that all of the commandments rested on these two underlying principles (abe: of loving God with all of the heart and neighbors as oneself.)As well, this is evidence of the divinity of the Bible in that it was the Ten Commandments which established the Golden Rule. Centuries later the Eastern, the Greek and other religions picked up on this somewhat by varied versions of the part about treating others as one would be teated.However, unlike Jesus, the other religions, for the most part applied it exclusively to members of their own sects and cultures. This is especially so with Islam and the Quran which applies it pretty much exclusively to their own and not to the infidels or apostates. Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. It would only make sense for the reasons I have explained and if Jehovah god is the true god and the Bible is a credible historical record. (Abe: Btw, you have yet to respond to the specificis of the reasons I posted. I'm convinced that the record is true.) Each must decide for themselves.2. If God be supreme master of the Universe, we his wee creatures lose by shaking our itty bitty fists at him in rebellion.3. In the end when righteousness, peace and all the the messianic kingdom brings mankind will begin to understand how just and necessary all that God saw fit to do was.4. Look at it this way, Cavediver. Last century the forces of secularist evil empires murdered over a hundred million of their own citizens due to the deterioration of moral values such as the Golden Rule.Ancient Israel, when subjected to these harsh laws thrived and prospered as a nation, though a few harsh punishments were implemented to maintain what blessed the messianic nation in times of peace and prosperity.Also, the nation of Israel full well knew the law and the consequences of rebellion against their god. They also knew the consequences of disobedience.3. Of course it's been proven that Hitler is was not supreme majesty of the planet, much less the Universe. He had no prophets to verify anything relative to his agenda and none of the evidences cited in this thread as to the status of divinity. Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted:

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

D A, perhaps it would be good for you to review the beginning messages of the thread where evidences have been cited and elaborated on. I suggest you read the whole linked message of mine for a starter.The Bible is a large compilations of books written by some 30 to 40 people ranging from shepherds to kings and which like physics or any other study is not (especially the prophecies) mastered by novices in a few sittings.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.