Anything Divine in the Bible?

Jesus said that he that commits sin is a slave of sin.Does this mean that your slavery to sin is also never right?

That is if I believe the Bible to be true, which I don't. Beside Paul also says that you as a Christian are to be a slave to Christ so which is it?

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

Again, is slavery right or wrong? I may have missed it but I have yet to hear a clear yes or no answer.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

How is it that in the case of American slavery the Methodist, Quakers, Minnonites, and many abolitionists drew so much of there apologetic from the Bible?If God was generally pro-slavery as you want to suggest, why did they find so much biblical ammunition to proclaim abolition?]

I don't know? Can you provide specific references from the Bible that back up this claim? It is up to you to substantiate your own claim not me.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

There you go still - what were the infants and sheep "judged" for? Go on all you wish about "I don't understand it yet...." but I'll quote Mark Twain:
"Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand."

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

Check then your personal experience. Is is it true that you can be a slave of temper, lust, anxiety, greed, self pity, covetousness.Can you be a slave of any of these behaviors? That is a voluntary slave. That is a slave who says "I love my Master, I will not go out free."He has a choice not to be a slave of Christ. If He wishes to be a slave he first acknowledges that by being redeemed he is legally bought with the blood of Christ. That is the legal bases. But his motivation is love. He loves His master and desires not to go out free.He does not have to submit to the fact that he has been purchased.This NT slavery is a matter of consecration.You're hot. I'll give you that.

Read a book.I recommend Black Religion and Black Radicalism by G.S. WilmoreOr you could read the biography abolitionist Sojourner Truth.If you're interested I leave the homework up to you.

I misread your reply. You asked for Biblcal references didn't you?Okay, that I will do for you tonight.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

This is a figure of speach to describe how we can let our emotions overcome our rational senses. I am not literally a slave to my temper. There not a person called temper, lust, anxiety, whatever that I am am a slave to. "Temper" does not beat me relentleslly without mercy, etc.And what the heck does this have to do with human trafficing and human slavery? Nothing. This is just another attempty by you to sidestep my question. Whatever, I could care less. You tell me we are slaves of satan and then why I tell you that Christians are told they are slaves as well you try to justify it. Justify, justify, justify, you would justify God slaughtering your children with no reason if you could. Pure blind faith is truley frightening. What makes you different then radical muslim terrorists? I am actually calmly sitting in my living room while my wife and daughter are watching a movie on TV. I just get tired of the same justifications and lack of rationality by fundamentalists (Christians or otherwise). Emotions don't carry over well over the Internet if you can't see someone face to face. Nothing personal it just gets kind of fustrating that someone can't see other points of view (and yes I know your point of view, been there, done that).Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : Correct misspelling

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

That is interesting, isn't it? The abolitionists and my great-great-grandfather, good Christians all, drawing diametrically opposite conclusions from the same divinely inspired text. My g-g-gf, Ebenezer Dickey Junkin, D.D., even collected a whole crop of passages from that text to write a catechism "....Particularly for the Instruction of Coloured Persons."Does that not tell you anything about your book, Jaywill? Bertot?

Thanks. This should be an intersting discussion.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

The year of Jubilee was a cyclical celebration every 49 years or so.Slaves were set free, depts were forgiven, property confiscated was returned. If one could hold out until the year of Jubilee he could be liberated from social bondages of all kinds.This year of Jubilee was commanded by God. Its contents was the subject for many songs of the slaves in America.And it was the introduction of Christ's gospel in the book of Luke:"And He came to Nazareth, where He had been bvrought up, and according to His custom He entered on the Sabbath day into the synagogue and stood up to read. And a scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written,

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The Spirit of the Lord us upon Me, because He has anointed Me to announce the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives, and recovery of sight to the blind, to send away in release those who are oppressed, and recovery of sight to the blind, To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, [the year of Jubilee]."The year of Jubilee was instituted in Leviticus 25:8-17.American abolitionists used the minor prophet's proclamations about social justice to convict the consciences of the slave holders.The Minnonites battled the concept of the curse on the black man to be a slave by pointing out that not all of the race of Ham was said to be made slaves, but only the Canaanites. This was a powerful rebuttal to the theologians who thought that to enslave the African was their religious duty.The spiritual songs of the slaves were filled with references to being freed from slavery from the Exodus.The equality of all men was preached by the abolotionists. And the New Testament book of Philemon was used often to point out that Christian brothers was a deeper relationship than that of slave to master.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

It tells me that people will use the Bible to bolster up their claims.Some are legitmate and some are not.It doesn't tell me that Jesus of Nazareth is not history. And it doesn't tell me that there is another life on the planet that matches His. It does not tell me that I should ignore the Gospels in favor of some meaningless appeal to the empty randomness of a futile universe where we are here only by some accident with no purpose whatsoever.It does not tell me that I have no need to believe the resurrection of Christ or repent of my sins.It tells me that everyday not spent turning my soul more and more over to the Holy Spirit is wasted time.It tells me that the only thing I am going to take out of this age and into the next age, the next world, is the Christ nature that He has wrought into my being through my opening to Him and cooperating with Him.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

I thought you were searching for the truth.
Thanks for admiting that it doesn't matter to you one way or another.You could have said that up front and saved us some time. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.