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Legend

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Message 37 of 106 (345006)
08-30-2006 9:20 AM

Reply to: Message 36 by ReformedRob
08-28-2006 1:23 AM

Re: Fundies believe in No Christ but My Christ

ReformedRob writes:

2) Nothing has ever been lost from the Bible.

this is a sweeping statement which implies that we have all the original manuscripts of each and every Bible book. In the case of the gospels, for instance, that would include the original manuscripts written circa 1st / early 2nd century. Is that the case ?

ReformedRob writes:

1) Iraneaus in Against Heresis detailed the existing cannon of the bible at the beginning of the second century and Iraneus was directly taught by an apostle, the cannon of which was supported by the Council of Nicea in 325 AD.

I believe that Irenaeus was taught by Polycarp who was not an apostle. Besides, as Irenaeus lived in late second century all the apostles would have been long dead and buried.

As to how he decided on the canon, read his own words :

Irenaeus in Against Heresies 3.11.8 writes:

But it is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the church has been scattered throughout the world, and since the "pillar and ground" of the church is the Gospel and the spirit of life, it is fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing incorruption on every side, and vivifying human afresh. From this fact, it is evident that the Logos, the fashioner [demiourgos] of all, he that sits on the cherubim and holds all things together, when he was manifested to humanity, gave us the gospel under four forms but bound together by one spirit.

see, it's nothing to do with what he believed to be genuine or not. It's just the mystical number four - may be he was a numerologist. I bet his lucky lottery numbers were 4 and 44.!

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Message 63 of 106 (345348)
08-31-2006 4:21 AM

Reply to: Message 42 by ReformedRob
08-30-2006 7:58 PM

Re: Could be is not an argument

ReformedRob writes:

No one else here seems to have a sense of humor and debates quickly degenerate into the ad hominem which I must confess to occasionally as well.

...ahem......(cough, cough).......excuse me?... like I said in Message 37 :

Legend writes:

see, it's nothing to do with what he (Irenaeus) believed to be genuine or not. It's just the mystical number four - may be he was a numerologist. I bet his lucky lottery numbers were 4 and 44.!

so now you have two arguments shot down already!

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Message 78 of 106 (346781)
09-05-2006 6:07 PM

Reply to: Message 77 by truthlover
09-05-2006 12:35 PM

Re: Fundies believe in No Christ but My Christ

Eastern Orthodox canon includes all of the Macabees and also 1 Esdras and probably more if I remember correctly, so you're looking at 4 books (minimum) on top of the Catholic Bible and a dozen (or more) on top of the Protestant one.

Also, I remember hearing that the Russian Orthodox church list some other writings as 3 Esdras (or something similar), so their canon is even wider.

So many divinely-inspired Bibles, which one to choose....?

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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