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Jazzns
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Message 14 of 106 (326791)
06-27-2006 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Nuggin
06-27-2006 9:40 AM


Re: Let he who without edit, make the first add
Plenty more additions to come I presume. The NIV is a good example of the ever so slight evolution of the message of the bible. Many things are "paraphrased" in the NIV in order to blur the inconsistencies in the bible. It is what the writers "meant" rather than what they said.
It could be as simple as 1 word such as "had".
Genesis 2:19 -
KJV: And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air;
NIV: Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air.
There is a big difference between "formed" and "had formed". The first is inconsistent with Genesis 1 emphasizing the reality that they are 2 different creation stories. The second gives you some wiggle room to say that Genesis 2 is "the details".

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 18 of 106 (327090)
06-28-2006 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by riVeRraT
06-27-2006 10:42 PM


Re: Let he who without edit, make the first add
What does that have to do with the immutable and innerrant word of God?
Preaching is different than the issue of the text of the Bible. The NIV IS different.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 22 of 106 (327318)
06-28-2006 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by riVeRraT
06-28-2006 6:30 PM


Re: Let he who without edit, make the first add
I did not find any difference in the meaning of the example you gave.
One is past tense the other is not. The past tense is used to reconcile the differences between Genesis 1 and 2. God is not recreating the animals if he "had" created them already.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 26 of 106 (327421)
06-29-2006 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by riVeRraT
06-29-2006 6:02 AM


Re: Let he who without edit, make the first add
Still doesn't matter to me, it's obvious that it is all past tense.
That is because you are starting with the doctrine that it has to be past tense and then interpreting Genesis to fit that doctrine. What Genesis 2 actually says is that he created them which in the context of Genesis 1 means he re-created them.
I mean are you saying you can't believe in God now because of the word had appearing in the NIV?
That is just silly. How do you take my posts to mean that the NIV being wrong means I can't believe in God. The NIV was written by man. What does that have anything to do with God? All I am saying is that the NIV is ADDING stuff to the Bible. Many people like to read the NIV and quote scripture. When they do there is potential to be creating doctrine that is not in the "original" Bible.
Many Christians like to claim that the Bible is the 100% inerrant word of God. Why then would they accept a Bible like the NIV that has changed that word?
Edited by Jazzns, : No reason given.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 29 of 106 (327468)
06-29-2006 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by riVeRraT
06-29-2006 6:02 AM


Re: Let he who without edit, make the first add
There are many more subtle differences in the NIV some that change meaning some that do not.
http://alanhorvath.com/bibleNIV.php

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 32 of 106 (327826)
06-30-2006 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by riVeRraT
06-30-2006 9:45 AM


Re: Let he who without edit, make the first add
I am not one of those "christians".
I do believe you can find the word of God, by reading the bible, if you pray to God and ask Him, what it means.
That is pretty much what I believe too riVeRraT. The only reason I brought up what I did on this thread was to point out that for the people who are not like us there is a sticky situation they may be getting themselves in by claiming that the NIV (for example) is the innerrant word of God. When Bibles begin to be transliterated for what they "meant to say" then the opporunity arises to add text based doctrine where none existed before. Alternativly, the oppotunity is presented to solidify a PARTICULAR interpretation as the correct one. In the simple case of changing the tense in Genesis 2 the position that the Genesis myth is consistent is changed from from an interpretive to a literal reading.
In short, everyone wants to be "right" and if changing the Bible will make someone more right they WILL do it.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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From: A Better America
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Message 80 of 106 (354414)
10-05-2006 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by riVeRraT
10-04-2006 1:26 PM


Re: Let he who without edit, make the first add
So then can you perhaps see why I may have some objections to the idea that the Bible has been preserved throughout time?

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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