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ICANT
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Message 114 of 165 (448101)
01-11-2008 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by IamJoseph
01-08-2008 1:17 AM


Re-Soul
Hi Joseph,
quote:
What i like to think of the "Soul" is just "The Breath of God". The same Breath He breathed into Adam. When we die, that leaves us.
  —Raphael
IamJoseph writes:
This is true, because it says, "Gen 2/7: Then the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
This man in Gen. 2:7 was formed from the dust of the ground by God.
After which God breathed the breath of life into Him.
After the breath of life was in him.
He became a living soul. It does not say he was a living soul.
But we are not like this man.
He is not my ancestor. He is my predecessor.
So it does not make any difference what his makeup was.
He was the first man. He did disobey God. By his sin all mankind was separated from God and condemned as stated in John 3:18.
This man was made before any creature.
This man named the creatures.
God took a rib from this man and made a woman.
God placed them in a Garden to keep
They broke God's rule.
God kicked them out of the Garden.
The man in Genesis 1:27 is my ancestor. This man was not formed out of the dust of the ground. God did not breath into his nostrils and him become a living soul.
Gene 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Notice some differences in the man in Genesis 1:27 from the one in Gen. 2:7
This man and woman was created at the same time. Created as the heaven and earth was in Genesis 1:1.
God blessed man and woman. Told them to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth. That says there was somebody here before.
They were never placed in a garden.
They were never tempted.
This man was created in the Image of God.
God is manifest in three different forms. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
This man had mind. God the father is all knowledge.
This man had a physical body. God the Son had a physical body.
This man has a spirit. God the Holy Spirit is a Spiritual being.
Thus this man created in the image of God had a mind, a body and a spirit.
The body will die one day.
The spirit and the mind will never die, they will spend eternity somewhere.
Jesus told Nicodemus he had to be born of the spirit to see the kingdom of God.
The spirit of man is born of the Spirit of God when he believes in Jesus Christ for salvation.
The mind is in a daily process of being changed as we study God's Word.
One day the body that houses the spirit and mind will die.
The spirit and mind will either be in God's presence or in Hell.
The destination is determined by what a person has done with Jesus Christ whether they have accepted or rejected Him.
Many people think the soul and spirit are the same thing. They get this idea because they are under the belief that the man in Gen. 2:7 and the man in Gen. 1:27 are the same man.
So far as I can tell the man in Genesis 1:27 did not have a soul.
The man in Genesis 2:7 did have a soul.
The soul was not the body.
The soul was not the breath of life.
Because it was not until after he received the breath of life he became a living soul.
So what is a soul?
God that caused this man to become a living soul did not say and I guess we will have to wait until we see Him and ask that question.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 117 of 165 (448129)
01-12-2008 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by IamJoseph
01-12-2008 1:39 AM


Re: Re-Soul
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
You are a predessessor of adam.
I am sorry to disapoint you but I am not one who was before the first man.
Predesessor means someone who preceded you.
I am a descendent of the man created (not formed) you find in Genesis 1:27.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 123 of 165 (448258)
01-12-2008 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Buzsaw
01-12-2008 5:26 PM


Re: Re-Soul
Hi Buzsaw,
No just been real busy with the church, holidays year forward planning just have not had time and am very limited now.
Buzsaw writes:
The problem with this statement is that God created just one and only one man. That's it. The rest of humanity have been born or procreated from that one created man via the birth process from that one created man.
Buz I have a closed thread on by beliefs concerning what I posted here if you would check it out I would appreciate it. If I go into it here we will be so far off topic Percy will scream and I will be able to hear him here in Florida. Look at it if you want to discuss it I would love to but we would have to start a thread for that.
It is:The Literal Genesis Account of Creation
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 129 of 165 (448310)
01-12-2008 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by IamJoseph
01-12-2008 10:25 PM


Re: Re-Soul
Hi Joseph,
'SPEECH'. This is a relavtively new phenomnon in the known universe.
How old is God?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 131 of 165 (448340)
01-13-2008 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by IamJoseph
01-12-2008 11:03 PM


Re: Re-Soul
Hi Joseph,
You will see that the only true definition of 'infinite' is that which is not subject to change, namely, 'I AM THE LORD I HAVE NOT CHANGED'
I am going out on a limb here and say I believe God could speak as he carried on a conversation with the first man in the garden.
That means speech has been around as long as God has.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 137 of 165 (448714)
01-14-2008 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by IamJoseph
01-13-2008 8:16 PM


Re: Eve
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
created he them'/Gen 1/1.
Gene 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Not quite what you ascribed to Genesis 1:1.
But:
Gene 1:27 (KJV) So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
The original word translated man here is the same as mankind.
If that is so then God created a male mankind and a female mankind.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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