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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: This is true, because it says, "Gen 2/7: Then the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." This means, when this breath leaves, life leaves man. Yet the soul is a recurring word and theme, and requires allocation. That man 'becomes' a living soul, infers an emulation of another, precedent and pre-existing phenomenon, which now man is also bestwed in this physical realm, and the residue which he takes with him when he ceases breathing and is not alive anymore. We can say also, that sustainance of food alone does not explain life, other than its upkeep only: because the life energy precedes the food/fuel supply, as with a newly born baby. Because life is alligned with the soul [man becomes a living soul], we can see that life is not possible without this soul factor. Because the soul is alligned to life, then all life forms possess souls, al beit in different doses or structures. This means that humans have a special added ingredient in the souls given them, as opposed the souls of all other living entities. My understanding is, the breath is one of five components of a human soul, the other components being spirit, animal soul [instinct], elevated human soul ingredient, and the mind. Obviously, there has to be a form of recording all imprints of each living being, which prevails after life, and this factor most probably refers to what is commonly referred to as the soul.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Friend, b4 leaping to John, examine genesis of its own. You are a predessessor of adam. We are exactly as of adam: we are adamites, the first speech endowed life forms, some 6000 years ago [no one has even produced a 'name' before this date, as opposed skeletal imprints - a name being the significance of an adam life form]. We are a seperate kind, as a group [species] and individually [by each finger print], the meaning of Adam rejecting the animal species as a counterpart. The 'dust' is biblespeak for today's 'particles' [quarks, etc]. The world is NOT 2000 years old, and there is no day w/o the Lord: "Gen 1/5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night". What genesis is saying, is all things in the universe were created in one singular instant, [call it a big BANG!] - time being irrelevent at that instant. Today, science affirms this by its BBT - all that is contained in the universe today, is derived from that one point [where else - there was/is no else!]. Genesis is also saying, all that was created here was in potential form [w/o 'order and void' - Gen 1/2]; then form and order was ushered ['entropy'?]. Here, man was created, but he was still not active [not living]; man became animated ['living'] at a divine 'click', its manifestation being described in the verse:
quote:Here, shrub and herbs refer to offspring; outgrowth. Meaning no repro had began, and the trees were inactive, yet created, in potential form. quote: Therein is your 'click', whereby the inanimate became animated, namely as a living souls. Not an unscientfic premise either.
quote: The 'Then' above refers to, at the instant of the preceeding verse.
quote: Not so. The dual gendered human marks the final act of creation. The Creator made the uni in wisdom, catering to all ingredients which will be required. The following metaphor applies: 'THE DINNER TABLE IS READY FOR THE GUESTS'.
quote: 'SEPERATED' the man and woman. They were both created simultainiously as a dual-gendered first entity of humans .
quote: You left out the most pivital factor. Man was blessed in the first chapter, not in the second:
quote: quote: This is a reference to a spiritual realm [where snakes talk and walk upright, and where the source of life and knowledge is placed], from which man, in his pre-man state, was cast down to this physical realm, and re-entry barred.
quote: We are tempted in every action, on every level and each instant. The temptation is only possible where there are laws of do's and dont's; these do not exist in the spiritual realm, thus nor does temptation. Here we see how a blessing is hidden within what appears a curse or punishment. Adam and eve became overwhelmed to sin by too severe a temptation. None of us would have prevailed this test: how long would one not touch that what promised eternal life and the greatest, Godlike knowledge: 10 mintes? The reason for this 'sure to fail' test is ultimately very sublime, for it is the only avenue which affords man to elevate. We do not get elevated because we do not sin; instead we can only get elevated when we rectify a sin. IOW, there is no elevation w/o sin. This is the gift to adam and eve. Decency is greater than innocense, for the former requires a pre-meditated action, while the latter is free of this onus. Thus: 'WHERE THE REPENTENT SINNER STANDS - THE MOST RIGHTIOUS CANNOT'.
quote: This refers to speech. The OT sages have made a startling premise out of this verse. They deemed speech not only unique in this world, but also the universe; meaning if another life form exists, it may have communication facilities, but it will never have speech. We know that no other life form has acquired speech despite having far more time than humans to develop this trait. Has anyone seen the movie, ID4? This was written by a Jew, and he got around the problem by making the aliens use a man to voice their message, by manipulating a captured human's throat - because they never had speech!
quote: Not ultimately. The true monotheism is non-negotiable that the Lord is ONE. And there has never been a one in the universe; all created things began with a created duality.
quote: These are among the various belief systems of man, which I see as involluntary compulsions - because they exist even where mutually exclusive contradictions appear within all the belief systems. The spirit, mentioned in Gen 1.2 [Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God hovered over the face of the waters], is signified by its follow-up verse: "3 And God said: 'Let there be light.'. This is followed by:"And there was light.". This is presented in a manner adaptable to many things, whereby 'light' can represent that which one aspires most, be it a revelation, message, messenger, enlightenment, etc. If it is seen as multi-levelled, it affords all in creation equality, pre-dating and thereby transcending all belief systems. This makes the criteria for elevation outside of religion per se; and within the perimeters of the do's and don't's of what one genuinely agrees to be so. Here, the message transcends the messenger.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Yes, I agree the term descendent is more appropriate than predesessor, and this refers to the first and only time the word 'created' is used - which is in Gen 1/1. There is no predesessor of speech endowed humans - we know this is true despite the millions of years of precedent life forms. Thus Genesis uses the term 'GENERATIONS' of Adam; here, adam = human; it becomes a pronoun with the first recorded dialogue.
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
'SPEECH'. This is a relavtively new phenomnon in the known universe.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: I don't see it that way. Procreation would not happen unless a precedent design or program was in place, and the procreating entities were in total interacting allignment with each other. The hovering intergration factor rules, and this negates any random.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
You will see that the only true definition of 'infinite' is that which is not subject to change, namely, 'I AM THE LORD I HAVE NOT CHANGED' [Ex]. And since nothing can pass this test, it's subsequent claim is also correct, namely 'I AM THE LORD THERE IS NO OTHER'.
Even light, which is regarded as the only known entity which is ageless, is subject to change: in its intensity, and when it is switched off.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
LOL. Yes, the first dialogue is in genesis, and so is the first 'action', namely the command, AND GOD SAID LET THERE BE LIGHT. The word * SAID* refers to speech. Even all of man's works is consequent to speech, [The word] - the only factor separating us from all others. Science is derived from speech.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Adam was a male-female, dual-gendered entity, which became seperated later ['Man and woman created he them'/Gen 1/1].
Whether one accepts this or not, it appears a very logical premise w/o any alternative. Consider the odds of its alternative: two entities of exactingly equal counter-part traits - among billions of life forms! And when's the last time we saw such an occurence? Genesis makes remarkable logic here, and appears to have addressed this pivotal question with an answer which caters to a host of other issues.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
No sir. The said premise is limited to the first emergent entity of a life form only, namely that a male did not arrive, then an exact counterpart female arrive, they shook hands and said, wow - what a co-incidence to meet you. It means there is no ONE in the universe, and all actions are based on a duality factor. This applies to all life forms, and all non-bio components.
It does not mean a girl's father is both male and female, but that the girl emerged from a male and female union, and when tracked to its original first entity, the male and female were a duality which became seperated. This is no alternative to this logic; at least - it is well bound in logic. One need only consider the odds for its antithesis to conclude in its sobering: john doe appears in a far away galaxy's planet, and by a great co-incidence, found a jane doe there too. Really?!
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