Why read the Bible literally: take two

Looking at your subtitle.It seems perhaps an honest Evo would no longer beg the question "Who did Cain marry?" as it strongly supports YEC contra-theories that a perfect gene-pool was once pre-built into Adam whose ‘rib’ became dissected out and cloned into Eve, even: Namely, Adam’s WIFE.While suggesting that YECism is true, I’d expect that Cain, Seth and generations of their descendents routinely married their sisters (like Abraham, as you cited), at least until the human gene-pool severely devolved and shortened man’s days.Even in David’s day, it appears Absalom slew his own incestuous step-brother. (2Sa 13:1 And it came to pass after this, that Absalom the son of David had a fair sister, whose name was Tamar; and Amnon the son of David loved her (etc.)Presently, it appears to me that many mammalian males do regularly marry their sisters (dogs and cats come to mind).Also, I’d personally increase offspring to a conservative 10-50 children per family by Enoch’s day (the 7th generation from Adam). (The mother of my flesh had 12 children and 2 miscarriages)I may be wrong,

Very well. The YEC literature I think I saw shyly suggested 8 children per family in their argument.It’s interesting to me that you noted cat DNA as also devolving and correlating somewhat to that of human beings.(Edited for grammar and typos)This message has been edited by Philip, 07-01-2005 05:02 PM

Perhaps Noah's wife had additional "unmentioned" children within the 300 years Noah survived after the flood. But it seems to me to violate scriptural parsimony:Gen 9:19 states: "These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread."Also, Abram's wife (though commended (sexy) unto Egypt's Pharaoh and princes) produced a 'miracle' child (Isaac) beyond her apparent conceiving years.Nonetheless the chronology seems expedited in Gen 11 to "push" the coming in of Abram.

I was merely speculating that Gen 11 scripture might perhaps hit on chronological highlights in order to usher in the relatively important scriptures concerning Abraham and his dispensation. Matthew’s gospel highlights 3x14 generations of chronology (from Abraham, Davidic Kings, and Jewish captivity) that seems (to me) to majestically usher ‘JESUS’ in as the seed-royal King and Savior.Pertinent and varying generations are stressedSome women, like Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, Leah, Hannah (etc.) seemed to be predestined by God to have just one man-child or 2, for various key scriptural reasons no doubt.But, I concur that the pre-patriarchs were multiplying the face of the earth (Adam, Seth, through Methuselah and Lamech) and their wives had many sons and daughters, according to scriptures:
1) Gen 5-6 states each begat sons and daughters about 9-10 times (before the flood-judgment)
2) Gen 6:1-2 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.It seems perhaps that nothing at all hindered childbearing back then. That is, I perceive families might have been consistently large for these 9 generations.

Besides (1) Jesus authority and (2) biblical consistency, I might add some of the following to apologize for biblical literacy. Please forgive my incoherencies in advance.(3) Gospel consistency (something that’s gotten real fragmented these).(4) Historical and scientific claims that collaborate with scriptural literacy.(5) Science authority’s problems to sort it all out (e.g., cladistically) requires biblical literacy as a starting point.(6) Cosmic evidences of life being plausible only on earth seem to correlate well with literalist schemes of the Bible: e.g., Christ died once for all, etc.(7) ’ICs’ and ‘ID’ are ubiquitous in nature (perhaps to varying extents). Empirical reading of scriptures might be respected as blueprints from the DESIGNER.(8) Science authority fails to grasp what time is despite clever clocks. The Bible explains time and timelines in literal frameworks that seem perfectly valid.(9) The Bible literally calls man cursed and sinful with a literal YEC scheme. Science literally fails in metaphysics.(10) Science authority is literally clueless about what light really is (photonic emission?). The Bible literally explains the phenomena of light: as good, the Lamb (of God), etc.(11) Conversations (per se) effectively proceed with literal interpretations of facts. ‘God’s Word’ seems to follow this paradigm in its converse with persons.(12) To me, literalist biblical theories of origin follow process, parsimony, and prediction better than any mega-theory of life out there. To me, Genesis (and not the ToE) is the real cornerstone of biology, geology, chemistry, etc.(13) The literalist timelines of Gen 1 vs. Gen 2 synchronize though viewed differently.
(14) Literal Bible theories do bring into perspective the diverse sciences and things pertaining to the conscience. Not many of my scientific mechanisms accomplish such feats while attempting to be literal. Indeed, I may be in a zone of my own.(15) Mankind is (curiously) given to literally dominate and name his creatures (and his inventions (scientifically)) as per Gen 1.21. The cladistic and science authority might respect that gift as per the biblical literacy of Gen 1:21.(16) Genesis literally portrays the theory of a Christ redeeming His cursed creation.(17) Jonah’s whale was supernaturally prepared (despite a whale’s complex scientific vomiting mechanism) typifying Christ’s burial in the heart of the earth. The earth with her bars about me forever (Jonah 2) suggests (to me) that Jonah himself literally went down there and rose from the dead (with Christ), at least in the Spirit.(18) YEC-literalists cite Vapor Canopy, CPT (catastrophic plate tectonics) and/or hydroplate theories. I view these as more simple and parsimonious then complex and tricky plate tectonics theories: If there is over a hundred shifty geological plates with thousands of catastrophic events (in a uniformatarian model), PT theories confuse me.

Ifen, I appreciate your response. Please forgive ALL my grammar in advance. I stand corrected (refuted) that Good seems perhaps more of an adjective characterizing light, as you seem to imply.OK, I concede science has a miniscule actual knowledge of quantum mechanics, photon theory, optics, color theory, relativistic theories etc., and has measured light quite ‘cleverly’.The problem remains, science authorities (even you and I) are clueless as to what lights really is. Are you suggesting light is merely photons/photonic emission?Science authority might ‘cleverly’ follow light trails and be attuned to light better than the children of light (AKA, Christians) follow light’s effects, as you suggest.Light remains a black box of impenetrable quantum reality and metaphysics. Science theories of light are workable, and that’s good.But, if the Bible plainly declares the Lamb is the light (quoting Revelation); are you calling God a liar? What if heaven and earth will pass away but God’s Word remains. Then what?I view that light is much more profound than you and I could ever know, despite science authority’s puny and pathetic inventions. I don’t identify with degrees, doctors, scribes, Sadducees , and dogmatic authority, Ifen.I count all (4) of my science degrees as dung when it comes to truth. I want to be in the light, saved, redeemed, forgiven, justified, reconciled, etc.Ifen (and Lurkers), I thought earlier today: And what if the Lamb (who is light) peradventure sees us from within His light, i.e., traveling at or beyond the speed of light? Would not His perspective of our space-time reality be different than ours? That would seem a valid apologetic to reconcile some OECism vs YECism dilemmas, dilemmas that plague my own conscience in this matter.

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