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Author Topic:   Should the Bible contain the Old Testement?
jaywill
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Message 21 of 32 (297835)
03-24-2006 2:35 PM


Yes - Old Testament Included
Yes, the Old Testament has to be included in the Bible.
It is likely that people who say that it should not be included are taking the New Testament in an Old Testament way. I mean they replace the commandments of the law of Moses with the new commandments of the New Testament.
In either case people tend to view religion as basically a list of Dos and Don'ts. With the Old Testament you had the ten Dos and Don'ts. Now they assume that these have now been replaced by the Dos and Don'ts preached by Jesus and the apostles. If you just do the list of things you're suppose to do then you are a Christian.
So, they may surmise "Why do we need any longer the old list of things to do? Now the teaching of Jesus has a new list of things to do. So the Old Testament is really not needed."
It could be that this "Obey the List of Things to Do" mentality sees little need for the old Do List to be around as long as the new Do List is here.
The new Do List teaches us to do such things as hate your self, or turn your cheek when struck, or give to the poor, or care for your family. Many things seem pretty similiar to the Old Do List. But many things seem contradictory to other Dos in the new Do List.
Actually, the New Testament is about abiding in, remaining in, dwelling in, and walking in the realm and sphere of a living Person - Jesus Christ. God, in the New Testament, is in Christ, as the Holy Spirit, imparted into the innermost being of the Christian disciple.
"But there are many commandments in the New Testament. Are there not?" some would say. My answer is yes there are.
So what gives then? That's all I'll write for this post.

  
jaywill
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Message 24 of 32 (298547)
03-27-2006 7:18 AM


Christ Stressed the Importance of the OT
Lest any of His audience mistake Christ's intention to abolish the law and the prophets He said - "Do not think I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have not come to abolish but to fulfill" (Matt. 5:17)
If we abolish the Old Testament from the Bible it would be impossible for us to really understand what Christ came to fulfill.
He goes on - "For truly I say to you, Until heaven and earth pass away, one iota or one serif shall by no means pass away from the law until all come to pass" (Matt. 5:18)
He did not come to abolish the law and the prophets. And neither did He teach that the smallest detail of the law should pass away until all prophecy come to pass.
I'm glad the Old Testament is included with the New in the Bible.

  
jaywill
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Message 32 of 32 (709101)
10-21-2013 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Eliyahu
10-20-2013 1:46 AM


Re: Old Commandment replaced? Love Self First?
JC and the NT abuse the Tanach, rip it out of context, mistranslate it, en use it for purposes it was never intended for.
For instance: 1 Cor 15:3; " For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,"
And nowhere in the Tanach is it written that the messiah must die for our sins.
The NT feeds us fairy tales.
Let's take the oldest book in the Bible, the book of Job. In this oldest book of the Tanach Job says -
" But I know that my Redeemer lives, And at the last He will stand upon the earth; And afer this body of mine is destroyed, Outside my flesh I will look on God, Whom I, even I, will look on for myself, And my eyes will see; I, and no other." (Job 19:26,27)
Notice we have here:
1.) Job expecting and after after physical life encounter with God.
2.) This God Job calls "my Redeemer".
3.) He somehow with SEE this divine Redeemer.
4.) He will see Him standing on the earth.
5.) He will see the Redeemer and in doing so will look on God.
Don't you think many aspects of this expectation are similar to the teaching of the Son of God in the New Testament ? I certainly see prophecy here. Job will see Jesus Christ even though physical death should take his body. And Jesus the Redeemer is God incarnate (John 1:1).
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