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Author Topic:   The Problems with Genesis: A Christian Evolutionist's View
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Message 113 of 200 (597722)
12-23-2010 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by damoncasale
12-23-2010 12:10 PM

damoncasale writes:
So for instance, Job 38:31-33 seems to have an ancient meaning of which we are generally ignorant today.
Here's the passage:
Job 38:31-33 writes:
Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
Or loose the belt of Orion?
Can you bring out Mazzaroth in its season?
Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?
Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
Can you set their dominion over the earth?
If the above has an ancient meaning that has been lost, then so must much of the rest of Job 38, such as the very next passage:
Job 38:34-35 writes:
Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
That an abundance of water may cover you?
Can you send out lightnings, that they may go,
And say to you, ‘Here we are!’?
I guess this is trying to tell us something about weather.

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Message 132 of 200 (597797)
12-24-2010 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by damoncasale
12-23-2010 5:22 PM

damoncasale writes:
In much the same way, "the ordinances of heaven" are intended to be understood as the spiritual principles of heaven as symbolized by these constellations.
We *do* know the meanings associated with the constellations from other cultures. For instance, Orion represents kingship. But that doesn't necessarily mean Job intended them to be interpreted the same way.
You could say the same thing about any ancient passage, that it wasn't necessarily meant as we are interpreting it today. Do you have any particular reason for singling out Job 38:31-33 as having lost meaning as opposed to the rest of Job 38?
What Granny Magda says about Job 38 is obviously true:
Granny Magda writes:
All they are trying to do here is repeatedly point out how brilliantly cool God is and how crappy humanity is by comparison. They're just using the device of saying "Can you do perform this amazing feat? No? God can! He's brilliant!", over and over again. The actual examples chosen to illustrate this point are almost immaterial.

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