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Author Topic:   The Problems with Genesis: A Christian Evolutionist's View
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Message 9 of 200 (447145)
01-08-2008 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by IamJoseph
01-08-2008 5:33 AM


Need clarification.
In fact, the Genesis calendar, the oldest and most accurate one, begins with the birth of Adam, which is the New Year in the OT calendar, and its calculation of some 5700 years does not include the creation days of chapter one.

Please provide the Chapter and verse in Genesis that supports your assertion.

Not so: dinosaurs are bird derived, and not from animals.

Please provide a cite to the study that shows that dinosaurs are not animals.


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Message 19 of 200 (447415)
01-09-2008 8:28 AM
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01-09-2008 1:58 AM


Re: Need clarification.
I still need the chapter and verse from Genesis that supports a calendar, not a cut-n-paste from some website.

Today's birds were Jurasic dinousaurs, is my understanding. Animals did not come before birds.

That may well be true depending on which Creation Myth you happen to be using, but the reality is that birds are animals. Dinosaurs were animals.


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Message 23 of 200 (447530)
01-09-2008 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Cold Foreign Object
01-09-2008 4:51 PM


Try truth for a change Ray.
This means you use the Atheist interpretation of scientific evidence to "interpret" Genesis through. We have never seen any Biblical scholar endorse this filter to interpret Genesis.

That of course is nonsense Ray, and nonsense that has been pointed out to you many times over the years here at EvC.

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"It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation"

St Augustine


Why must you continue "speaking so idiotically on these matters?"


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Message 32 of 200 (447787)
01-10-2008 7:32 PM
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01-10-2008 7:25 PM


Re: Need clarification.
I still need the Chapter and Verse for the Genesis calendar, or is this just more of your made up shit and misrepresentations?


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Message 33 of 200 (447788)
01-10-2008 7:34 PM
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01-10-2008 7:25 PM


Re: Need clarification.
I still need the chapter and verse from Genesis that supports a calendar, not a cut-n-paste from some website.


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Message 92 of 200 (588718)
10-27-2010 5:24 PM
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10-27-2010 4:41 PM


It's wrong quite often.

That's not a big deal, just an indication of the ignorance of the authors, editors and redactors.

Genesis is not meant to be historically or scientifically accurate.


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Message 117 of 200 (597735)
12-23-2010 5:55 PM
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12-23-2010 5:02 PM


Re: Not a Time-Line
fletch writes:

If Genesis is not literal as you say, then the account of Jesus' lineage must not be literal either.

Which Jesus lineage? Many were made up.

fletch writes:

A quick thing on creative "days". The Hebrew word "yom", which is translated as day in Genesis has many meanings. Hebrew only has about 8,700 words in its vocabulary where as English has about half a million. So translation is not a straight 1 to 1 equation. The word "yom" can mean anything from 12 hours (or the hours of daylight), sundown to sundown (24 hours), a general time period, a point in time, a generation. So in short the creative "day" could have been millions of years. (And probably were). After all we are still in the 7th creative day and its been over 6000 years since that started....

Yeah, heard that one before. Unfortunately the Genesis 1 account seems pretty clear that it is talking about plain old 24 hour days.


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