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Author Topic:   The Problems with Genesis: A Christian Evolutionist's View
ICANT
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Message 11 of 200 (447361)
01-09-2008 1:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by willietdog
01-07-2008 8:39 PM


Re-Genesis
Hi willietdog,

Welcome to EvC

I am the beating post around here. Get beat up all the time so join the crowd and have at it as long as I have time.

Hi, I'm a Christian Evolutionist,

I get it that you believe in some kind of deity that had a hand in the processes of everything coming into being. I hope this is correct.

We have several on here that claim to be Christian Evolutionist. But I would like to know what you consider it takes to be Christian.
This might be getting a little off topic so if you perfer you can answer this in a e-mail my address is under my profile.

1.Genesis says God created the Earth in 6 days.

First off you assert that Genesis says God created the Earth in 6 days. I have read that book so many times I forget how many but I have never read where it says God created the earth in 6 days, I would appreciate it if you could point me to that verse but I warn you I only use the KJV.

2.How can there be light before there is a source?

Who says there was no source?

3.we have all most fool proof evidence that the sun is older than the earth and that it is easily older than 6,000 y/o but this says earth was created first.

You say we have all most fool proof evidence. I would like to see proof concerning when the sun was created and the earth as far as that matters.

Man has no Evidence of how the universe was started nor from what.
He has a wild dream that something called a singularity that appeared in a point in space before space was from the absence of anything and this singularity that was just a point began to expand, (some call it the big bang) according to Dawkins everything was timed to 1/200 billion'ths of a second or we would not be here, We have had that expansion every since the beginning. Now remember everything in this expanding universe the billions of stars galaxies, everything out there that you can see and cannot see came from a point.

Ask where that point came from and the best answer I have got so far is "We don't Know". Most on this site just says that is cosmology and has nothing to do with evolution.

4.We have clear fossil records that prove that life was created in this order: fish, then land animal, then bird not fish + bird then land animal

We have a clear theory to this fact.

But all that is wrong Man was first.

Let me clarify my position.
I am not YEC.
I could care less what Intelegent Design says.
I do not claim to be a Christian. To me that means Christ-like.
I do claim to be a child of the King.

5. this is getting to long so im not going to even list all the numerous contradictions between the two stories of creation in genesis.

I have no problem with the 2 creation stries in Genesis.
I believe there was a creation in Genesis 1:1.
I believe there was a remodling job done starting in Genesis 1:2 that goes through Genesis 2:3.

BTW there are no contradictions in the 2 stories.

Have fun and enjoy,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 36 of 200 (447796)
01-10-2008 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by IamJoseph
01-09-2008 2:43 AM


Re: Just to set the Record Straight
Hi Joseph,

If I read correctly you are attributing the following quote to me.

quote:

You say we have all most fool proof evidence. I would like to see proof concerning when the sun was created and the earth as far as that matters.

If so I would like to correct this misconception. You left the 3. off of the quote which designated that was point 3 in the OP.

Have fun,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 38 of 200 (447800)
01-10-2008 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by IamJoseph
01-10-2008 7:46 PM


Re: Re-Genesis
Hi Joseph,


'Its a heading, like a preamble, to the follow-up context,

Genesis 1:1 is a declarative statement.

In the beginning.....That tells us when.

God created.....That tells us who.

(The greek septuigent uses the word made instead of created.)

the heaven and the earth.....this tells us what God made or created.

If the sun, moon, stars, amd galaxies surround the earth they must be considered a part of the heaven. They are definetly not part of the earth.

This then tells me that everything you can see in the universe and on or in the earth was here that day.

I believe that Genesis gives us an exact account of that day.

Have fun,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 39 of 200 (447807)
01-10-2008 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by IamJoseph
01-10-2008 8:36 PM


Re: Just to set the Record Straight
Hi Joseph,

Now you have got me confused.

In Message 16 You quoted from my message Message 11 where I had quoted willetdog. Where he/she said in the opening post:

willetdog writes:

3.we have all most fool proof evidence that the sun is older than the earth and that it is easily older than 6,000 y/o but this says earth was created first.

My response to willetdog was:

ICANT writes:

You say we have all most fool proof evidence. I would like to see proof concerning when the sun was created and the earth as far as that matters.

You quoted my words and then answered me with a Bibical answer not a Christian evolutionist answer.

IamJoseph writes:

The sun was creaed in V.1: 'IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS' - this refers to the galaxies and stars. When we check further, only the sun's luminosity is referred to:

As far as I can see this has nothing to do with the answer of fool proof evidence I was asking willietdog for.

As far as Genesis 1:1, I know what it says and You did get it part right

Have fun,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 42 of 200 (448126)
01-12-2008 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by arachnophilia
01-12-2008 12:13 AM


Re: Re-Genesis
Hi arachnophilia,

genesis gives us an account of seven days. heaven is made on day two. earth is made on day three. the sun and moon are made on day four. do you disagree?

Yes I disagree.

arachnophilia writes:

genesis 1:1 is a dependent clause.

The only thing Genesis 1:1 is dependant on, is God doing what the writer declared that He did.

Either God created the heaven and the earth or He did not.

Did God create the Heaven and Earth? or Did God not create the Heaven and Earth?


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 44 of 200 (448255)
01-12-2008 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by arachnophilia
01-12-2008 3:50 PM


Re: Re-Genesis
Hi arachnophilia,

in seven days. not a single instant.

Genesis 2:4 declares it was in a day.

We have been over this twice before I am not going over it again with you. If others want me to I will.

You know what you believe I know what you believe. I am not going to change your view and you are not going to change my view.
What I believe is different than your version so let's just leave it at that.


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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