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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
What pranks??? The one's I've be mentioning. Have you not been paying attention? Do you need me to quote myself back to you?
You call god a name and then refer to that as a charge against him. I do not call God a name, I call the god that you made up a name.
What I read from he things you post is that you respond to things that church peple say about what they think the Bibketells us about this God. Then you take what theysay, as you did here with what you say, and condemn god. I'm not condemning God, I condemn the gods that you invent and only when they deserve it.
What is it in the Bible that makes you say these things? It isn't anything in the Bible that makes me say these things. Its the stuff that you write here that makes me say these things.
They call the Bible the Word of God, so it is only fair that you take him at that word and tell us what is your complaint against him? Not you go on the offensive tactic. My attacks on your words are being said to be an attack on God himself. You fail to keep your own self included in the equation. How arrogant are you that you think that your own words actually come from God? Now you're blaspheming the Holy Spirit, the unforgivable sin. Look, I'll say it again. You offer that the Bible is written in a way that the ancient Jews could understand the words but also so that modern scientific understanding can mesh with the words. Since the Jews don't agree with you, then they must have been hoodwinked by god. Its the logical outcome of your scenario. You have yet to address it.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3848 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
The one's I've be mentioning. Have you not been paying attention? Do you need me to quote myself back to you?
Yes, I need to read exactly what you say I am saying so I can understand what your complaint against that is. This nonsense about how little you think of me, based on whatever you may have said to others means nothing.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3848 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
So you definitely are saying that there is an Absolute Reality.
Of course not.That would be grammatically redundant.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
"Large elephant" is redundant but it's also true. ringo writes:
Of course not. So you definitely are saying that there is an Absolute Reality.That would be grammatically redundant. What you are describing definitely is an absolute reality, a reality which is "beyond" what can be observed.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3848 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
"Large elephant" is redundant but it's also true. What you are describing definitely is an absolute reality, a reality which is "beyond" what can be observed. You are entitled to inaist upon ignorance here, but even elephants come in small, large, and larger whereas Truth only comes in NOT false, and Reality is ONLY what actually exists. There are NOT two kinds of Truth nor two types of Reality.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
Even a "small" elephant is pretty large. You are entitled to inaist upon ignorance here, but even elephants come in small, large, and larger whereas Truth only comes in NOT false, and Reality is ONLY what actually exists. Size is relative and so are "truth" and "reality". There's the truth and reality that we can agree on - such as the existence of France - and then there's the "truth" and "reality" inside your head. If you can't demonstrate something as true or real, it might was well be a three-inch elephant.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3848 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
There's the truth and reality that we can agree on - such as the existence of France - and then there's the "truth" and "reality" inside your head.
There is Truth and there is Reality. There is no degree of either.Things either exist or they do not and are not real. Things are either true or they are not, regardkless of have close to being true the erroneous concept may be. In one's head, the spirit of mind could be true or false.But there is never Reality in your head. Reality is always "out there." Reality is out there, where your seven senses tell you about it.You construct an image that you believe corresponds to that real thing out there. If you are wise, you do so using the Scientific Method. .. God is all there is, ie; Reality itself... the whole external existence beyond our mind is the almighty God to which all life must bow: ...Truth inside our head, is the Holy Spirit, the image of God, almighty Reality, and is present inside our mind when our thinking correctly images the TRUTH, or the picture of Reality inside our mind.////// TRINITY:Our (1) Lord is Truth, in whose (2) Spirit of mind we must commit our lives, in order to face (3) Father Nature, the Almighty Reality, within which we all exist.
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Eli Member (Idle past 3519 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
Why are you still referring to perception as "truth"?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
The one's I've be mentioning. Have you not been paying attention? Do you need me to quote myself back to you?
Yes, I need to read exactly what you say I am saying so I can understand what your complaint against that is. sigh From Message 154:
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
You are describing something that is absolute.
There is Truth and there is Reality. There is no degree of either.Things either exist or they do not and are not real. Things are either true or they are not, regardkless of have close to being true the erroneous concept may be.
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WarriorArchangel Member (Idle past 4032 days) Posts: 14 From: Lynn MA US Joined: |
"Intelligence doesn't evolve. It's embedded in the womb, and will learn to its capacity." That truism puts evolution down the toilet.
For Christ Jesus' sake we are 99.8% Neanderthal genome! How the hell did that happen? Any ideas......?
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4
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"Intelligence doesn't evolve. It's embedded in the womb, and will learn to its capacity." That truism puts evolution down the toilet. This is what's called "presuming your conclusion." That's not a "truism." It's a claim. Intelligence is an extremely broad term (sufficiently so that in its colloquial use it's nearly meaningless), and even allowing for the wide variety of meanings it can selectively convey, intelligence varies widely within species, let alone between them.
For Christ Jesus' sake we are 99.8% Neanderthal genome! How the hell did that happen? Any ideas......? It's rather obvious: we share a relatively recent common ancestor, and our ancestors may have interbred with Neanderthals as well. After all, we're genetically nearly identical to chimpanzees. A strong genetic similarity to other hominids like Neanderthals is more than simply obvious, it's expected. It's a core prediction of evolutionary theory as it pertains to human evolution, one that has been validated by the very genetic evidence you find to be so shocking. Edited by Rahvin, : Fixed a formatting tag.The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3848 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
kofh2u writes: There is Truth and there is Reality. There is no degree of either.Things either exist or they do not and are not real. Things are either true or they are not, regardkless of have close to being true the erroneous concept may be. ringo:You are describing something that is absolute. Hahaaaaa.... That is exactly why I said you are being redundant to say absolute Reality or absolute Truth. Both concepts are already absolutes.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3848 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
1) So we've got all these Jews, who according to your ideas, were tricked by god into believing that the Bible says a bunch of stuff that it doesn't really mean. 2) This complete ruse by your god has cost them their place in eternity just so that god's message can be kept secret until you come along and figure it all out. I don't see how you can respect that?
Now we can get on the same page and analyze the nonsense you post here. 1) How difficult was it for the Jews to recognize that the bible says don't act like the fornicating, women chasing, sexually promiscuous neighboring pagan societies that had to abort the fatherless babies that resulted from such behaviors? 2) What kind of trick is played on people when the real story is told to them, but in a way they can grasp at the time?People trick themselves by faith in some guys interpretation of the story which they defend religiously, long after it is clear he was full of crap. That seems to be a way for God to demonstrated how arrogant and dumb people are, fixed in their mind and ready to crucify anyone who even tries to correct what they foolishly bought into from some other men.
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Eli Member (Idle past 3519 days) Posts: 274 Joined:
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1) How difficult was it for the Jews to recognize that the bible says don't act like the fornicating, women chasing, sexually promiscuous neighboring pagan societies that had to abort the fatherless babies that resulted from such behaviors? Probably very difficult considering that the bible did not forbid unlimited wives (King David, for example) and never said anything about abortions or fatherless babies. Some people are so ignorant and dumb that they cannot be corrected, even when the correction is obvious. Tell us, is it cruel of God to show everyone but you that you are wrong, so that you never receive correction, reproof, knowledge or truth? Does He have a point in allowing you to miserably fail in every false claim you insist on making? Since you are unlearned and unable to be taught, wouldn't He be acting for His own amusement rather than for your or anyone else's benefit? We have all witnessed how arrogant in your ignorance you are. The joke is over. There is nothing left to see. We aren't laughing. Why does God need to repetitively show us something we already know? Your God is not kind to you.
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